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Old 05-08-2016, 08:07 AM   #141
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Go to any campground and you will see that pickups ARE the default TV of choice for most. You may see a few SUVs and vans here and there. I seriously doubt 95% of customers who choose pickups are naive. Sedan/minivan TVs have a heavy online presence. You would have a hard time finding one on the road or in campgrounds.

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Just throwing this out there, but not all 3/4 tons are equal. If you are talking about moving from the Ecoboost to a gas 3/4 ton you probably will get a meaningful payload increase. If you are looking at a diesel 3/4 ton, you probably will not. That diesel eats up a ton of payload. In that case you probably have to move to a 1 ton.

As an example, the MAX payloads for a 2015 F250 4x4 Crew short wheelbase is 2426 lb for the gas engine but only 1792 lb for diesel. And that's max before options. Any options will eat into that.

http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/g...tyPU_Sep30.pdf
Thanks for posting the chart Scott. I am somewhat confused by this as there must be something with the data based under the Slide in Camper configuration. I reviewed the 2016 Ford data sheet for payload capacity and these numbers don't come up the same.

https://www.ford.com/trucks/superdut...tions/payload/

Not trusting the information there either I stopped by a dealer and looked at at least 6 F250 Crew Cab 4x4's with the 6.7 Powerstroke Diesels and all had over 2100 lbs payload according to the door sticker. Platinums and King Ranches on lower end, XLT's up over 2500. I think the highest I saw was somewhere near 3000 but I can't remember the model. Had I been thinking I should have taken some pictures.

I guess I don't understand Fords Marketing brochures as I doubt a 16 gained that much more over a 15 and the 2017 numbers have not been released.

As mentioned before, I have pulled my two Airstreams with my F150's many miles and been very happy with the truck in general. Merely moving up to the 2017 F250 for the increased "beef" in components of the truck and some added flexibility in carrying more "if and when" I want to. That alone gives me a sense of better stopping power and control in an emergency situation and to me that is all that matters. I'll still use it as daily driver as well and I am quite sure there will be times when I will miss the F150, but I don't have a problem walking further in a parking lot to make the parking easier. Heck, I do it most of the time with the F150.

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Old 05-08-2016, 10:58 AM   #143
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Yep.

If a person can comfortably tow their trailer at posted limits with one relaxed hand on on the wheel, this kind of means "no problems".

A good mannered vehicle combination has a feel that a person knows when they feel it.
+1 for this quote. It took a 2500 4X4 gasser for me to get to this good mannered combination for my Safari 25.

My truck is a 2015 Chevy crew cab with a load capacity of #2785. I use a Propride hitch.
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Old 05-09-2016, 12:14 PM   #144
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Not trusting the information there either I stopped by a dealer and looked at at least 6 F250 Crew Cab 4x4's with the 6.7 Powerstroke Diesels and all had over 2100 lbs payload according to the door sticker. Platinums and King Ranches on lower end, XLT's up over 2500. I think the highest I saw was somewhere near 3000 but I can't remember the model. Had I been thinking I should have taken some pictures.
Chuck,

That's quite interesting. I have an appointment for an oil change in my truck this week so I will look at some 250's while I'm in the shop. But for now I looked on http://www.hannafords.ca website for some numbers. If you scroll to the end of the photos you will see actual payload stickers.

* Yes, I know this is a Canadian dealer but it's the only dealer I know of that posts payload stickers on their website, so I consider it a great resource. *

This 2016 XLT says 2025 lbs

This 2016 Lariat says 1780 lbs

This 2016 Platinum says 1714 lbs

The is the least expensive diesel on the website, which I figure will have the highest payload. It's a 2016 XLT gas and says 2082 lbs.

Just for comparison, this 2016 XLT gas says 2720 lbs.

These are the most "real world" numbers I can find for now.
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Chuck,

That's quite interesting. I have an appointment for an oil change in my truck this week so I will look at some 250's while I'm in the shop. But for now I looked on http://www.hannafords.ca website for some numbers. If you scroll to the end of the photos you will see actual payload stickers.

* Yes, I know this is a Canadian dealer but it's the only dealer I know of that posts payload stickers on their website, so I consider it a great resource. *

This 2016 XLT says 2025 lbs

This 2016 Lariat says 1780 lbs

This 2016 Platinum says 1714 lbs

The is the least expensive diesel on the website, which I figure will have the highest payload. It's a 2016 XLT gas and says 2082 lbs.

Just for comparison, this 2016 XLT gas says 2720 lbs.

These are the most "real world" numbers I can find for now.
Thanks Scott,

I find most of the documentation pretty frustrating. I am out of town for a few days and just stopped by another dealer and looked at two more. A King Ranch and a Platinum. The Platinum actually had higher number at 2015 this time and he KR at 1972. Appears a lot has to do with max tow packages and some spring options on these things which adjust the GVW. Who knows. I looked at the ones in CA. Not sure how much the snow plow setup options and the fifth wheel setup both deduct but the ones I have looked at didn't have that nor some of the block heaters and stuff. Fortunately I don't have need for that in TX. I wish all dealers would post the tags.

What we did determine is there is a 634 pound difference fron diesel to gasser. All else I have no idea at this point. I know when I went to my 2015 F150 Platinum from my 2011 F150 Platinum I gained 475 pounds payload, result from switching to aluminum. Weight savings on 2017 F250 aren't as much due to frame stiffining but still is reported to be 350 to 400 pounds. I'm figuring I should be in the 2,000 pound payload area which is about 500 pounds more than current F150.

My desire all along is to gain the "beef" of the F250. Bigger brakes, stronger frame (I do a lot of off road through some tough areas at deer lease) exhaust brake and in general just a stronger truck in terms of less wear and tear on components pulling as much as I do. I can live withe the payload numbers as I stated many times before, I travel pretty lightly. Just nice to have the most I can while at same time having the luxury components if I do decide to carry a little more. Bigger truck, bigger engine typically means less wear and tear on components.

The EB engine has been Great. I have had three 3.5's and have two of the smaller ones in an Explorer and an Escape. The only towing issue ever encountered was an auto shutdown due to heat pulling up a long grade in Montana in August. The 2011 F150 with 150,000 miles had a inter cooler go out at about 50,000 miles and a timing chain failure which caused me to sell it. My daughter was using it and I found her a brand new 2014 with the 3.5 EB in it that she is now driving.

We will see how all of this pans out with payload numbers when the 2017 comes in, which hopefully will be late Aug, early Sept. Thanks for your research and posts.

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Old 05-09-2016, 04:18 PM   #146
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That is why you pay 650 more and get a F350 when you order the 6.7 Turbo Diesel.Rides exactly the same unloaded as the F250 as they share the same primary springs in the rear spring pack but as the load increases it has more capability.Over 3000lbs payload with the 6.7 diesel with all options in a Platinum package Supercrew.


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Agree with you on this statement. I went back and reviewed my pricing difference on F250 vs F350 invoice price and you are looking at about $700 something for the Platinum. If payload is a determining factor in your purchase, the F350 gets you the best of both worlds, extremely high hp and torque from the diesel and max payload. The two vehicles are basically identical in every other spec. Thanks for your post.

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Old 05-11-2016, 01:57 PM   #147
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So I had my oil change today but didn't look at any trucks. They were all locked and I didn't have time or inclimation to bother a salesman to walk out with me. Sorry.
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Old 05-12-2016, 02:06 PM   #148
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Take a look under the rear of the truck, sticker on the hitch. It will give you the maximum trailer weight with and without weight distribution. My 2013, EB, Platinum is 10500 and 5000 respectively. It also states a maximum of 1050 tongue weight with WD. Newer aluminum trucks will probably be higher. On the inside of the door, it will give you the amount you can safely load the truck with payload. That is where I run into difficulty. Mine is only 1190 pounds. I could handle any trailer in the AS line but with standard tongue weight, a WD SC hitch, I am only going to have a couple of hundred pounds of payload remaining. You can also weigh your truck and compare that to the maximum weight, also listed on the driver side door.
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GoWhereTowed, your load capacity is similar to ours, shopped for it, and like it that way. That ensures a smooth ride for us without the Airstream and easier on our Airstream when hooked up, and is plenty for some 50 months we have been on the road traveling since retirement, all over the country many, many times.

We found our weight distribution system distributing some load to the Airstream, balancing truck and trailer loads, and any mods to lighten the heavier-than-needed Airstream hitch weight reduces our hitch weight, and effectively raises our payload capacity in the truck.

We have had occasion to load heavier and did for a few hundred miles. I wanted to ensure our axles and tires were not overloaded so took it through the truck scale and found our axle loads were nearly evenly loaded with the Airstream attached, and both under GAWR.

I suppose if we needed more load capacity we would buy a heavier suspension tow vehicle but we don't. The lighter, smooth riding trucks have been terrific.
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So I had my oil change today but didn't look at any trucks. They were all locked and I didn't have time or inclimation to bother a salesman to walk out with me. Sorry.
Thanks Scott. Not a problem. I looked at a few additional and found in the !792-2100 range for a Platinum. I think from what I have determined, at least based on a 2016 I will be somewhere in the mid 1800's with the way I packaged my 2017 F250 Platinum order, which will still be fine for me. I should get more from the 2017 with the aluminum shift like I did going to the 2015 (assuming around 200lbs more), but hard to tell until they are in production and start hitting the lots.

Enjoyed the conversations on this and am happy with my decision to get the heavier truck with diesel as I think it will work perfectly with our travel styles and time on the road.

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Just throwing this out there, but not all 3/4 tons are equal. If you are talking about moving from the Ecoboost to a gas 3/4 ton you probably will get a meaningful payload increase. If you are looking at a diesel 3/4 ton, you probably will not. That diesel eats up a ton of payload. In that case you probably have to move to a 1 ton.

As an example, the MAX payloads for a 2015 F250 4x4 Crew short wheelbase is 2426 lb for the gas engine but only 1792 lb for diesel. And that's max before options. Any options will eat into that.

http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/g...tyPU_Sep30.pdf

Just an FYI - If you are referring to Page 5 (Pickup camper selector) of the PDF at the link you mentioned, that is for "cargo", not "payload".

"Cargo" is less than "payload" due to the assumption of a 150 lb. passenger occupying every seating position, which reduces available payload. There is also wording regarding additional allowances that must be made for other options.........



From the brochure: (I added the bolds)


"Cargo Weight Rating shown in chart is maximum
allowable, assuming weight of a base vehicle with
required camper option content and a 150-lb.
passenger at each available seating position

Ratings also assume weight of engine and
standard transmission. Cargo Weight Rating shown
must be further reduced by weight of transmission
upgrade and any other options.
Option weights
and center-of-gravity information are available on
the Ford Pickup Truck Consumer Information Sheet"
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Good catch. Missed that. Thanks.

So I guess it's safe to say that the differences between the various trucks are probably about what we see on the chart but the total payload for each is higher (probably by around 450 lbs?). I wish they would just publish the payload ratings! Or at least I wish I could find them readily...
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Good catch. Missed that. Thanks.

So I guess it's safe to say that the differences between the various trucks are probably about what we see on the chart but the total payload for each is higher (probably by around 450 lbs?). I wish they would just publish the payload ratings! Or at least I wish I could find them readily...

Look to the axle and tire ratings. Means more. Payload is relative, not to mention misleading.
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One other aspect (beyond payload) of the difference between 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton which I have been thinking about it the difference in mass. I haven't done a through study, but it looks like there is about a 1500 to 2000 pound difference in curb weight between a 1/2 ton gas and a 3/4 ton diesel. On the surface, I would expect that to translate into the TT's natural motions having less impact on the TV. I am just thinking here, not offering any facts.
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