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Old 09-29-2006, 08:28 PM   #57
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The Big Three (Ford, GM & Dodge) use relatively similar conventions:
150 or 1500 = 1/2-ton
250 or 2500 = 3/4-ton
350 or 3500 (and anything dually) = 1 ton
A slight caveat here, you can get 350/3500 in SRW (single rear wheel) and at least Ford makes up to a 550 in the standard body size dually We have a couple of the SRW 350's at work and unless the spec's have changed they are actually rated to tow slightly more than the DRW version. My biggest concern especially with the somewhat lighter vintage units is having too strong a tow vehicle (heavily sprung) I am very seriously considering an AirRide I have seen these in use with amazing results.

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Old 09-29-2006, 08:55 PM   #58
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The Big Three (Ford, GM & Dodge) use relatively similar conventions:
150 or 1500 = 1/2-ton
250 or 2500 = 3/4-ton
350 or 3500 (and anything dually) = 1 ton.
I once owned a 1984 F250 Dually, it was a Camper Special (remember those?). A 3/4 ton truck with dual rear wheels for the slide-in truck camper market. They never sold well, and were discontinued when the next round of body style changes were introduced.
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Old 09-29-2006, 09:17 PM   #59
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I once owned a 1984 F250 Dually, it was a Camper Special (remember those?). A 3/4 ton truck with dual rear wheels for the slide-in truck camper market. They never sold well, and were discontinued when the next round of body style changes were introduced.
I also remember those Chevy C20's with the 9' bed too always thought they were kind of neat. There was one for sale around here a while back... Just remembered they were the Longhorn model....

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The Big Three (Ford, GM & Dodge) use relatively similar conventions:
150 or 1500 = 1/2-ton
250 or 2500 = 3/4-ton
350 or 3500 (and anything dually) = 1 ton

The 3/4 ton will handle the tongue weight and pull anything Airstream makes. For the largest Airstreams you might have to watch other loading in the truck to stay with the TV's payload capacity.

3/4-tons are more necessary for mountain state excursions beginning at the 25' length and above if you're talking newer, heavier Airstreams. 1500-HD is a fair alternative at 25' if you pay attention to details. 3/4-tonners nearly become mandatory by 27-28 feet. Mention has been made that 3/4-ton capacity SUVs (eg, Suburban, ? Excursion) have a softer ride for the hitch and passengers than the corresponding truck. Another mod (overlander63 IIRC) states that a 3/4-ton truck gives a better ride to the trailer hitch if you actually use up more of its payload capacity by using a topper, generator or any other gear to add pounds to the bed.

All disclaimers apply, winners can not have received considerations from the sponsor in the last 6 months, employees not eligible, and the F-250 running 2air' is fully entitled to add more of his two cents when he returns from his prolonged road trip (ahh, if only the rest of us were so lucky!).
Great synopsis...
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I have the F-350 King Ranch with the 6.0TD. The diesel is a fantastic engine for pulling. The wheel base makes it very stable. The ride is very TRUCK. I have driven/owned both F250 and F350 and the ride is not going to meet your VW ride. If ride is important, might want to reconsider. The milage of the TD is similar to that reported by others 18-20 on highway with my rig getting 13 to 14 pulling my 19' AS. To be honest my F350 is the King Ranch trimmed truck and has a high look-cool factor. This is a big-boy-toy of the highest order! Didn't really need this much truck but not sorry about it when I hook up and launch on a cross-country trip pulling the trailer.

My F350 has served us very well. To be clear, while I am a Ford guy, one of my best friends has the Dura Max in the 3/4 ton version and his experience is the same. We're both now sold on Diesel trucks. Today they are both excellent choices for your rig. You will not be disappointed going into this size rig for pulling! The balance of your driving is a bit more of an issue... parking a F250 crewcab is like parking an aircraft carrier! Still... worth the incinvenience. Hope all of this helps!
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UBER Ford Super Duty

I stumbled across this press release for the 2008 Ford F450 Super Duty:

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/28/p...y-brings-more/

Specs give it a 6.4L PowerStroke diesel capable of towing a whopping 24,000# (damn!!! that should be strong enough to tow my '64 Safari, right??) or hauling 6000#.
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Worth waiting for

toddster,

Great info, it sounds as though some of the people looking at new TVs may be waiting until the new Super Duty comes out early next year.
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So, as an F-450 with a 6,000# payload, is it a 1-1/2 ton truck (next progression after the F-350 one ton) or a 3 ton truck?
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Here's Ford's mini-site for the 2008 F-450. That is one tough looking truck!!!

http://www.fordvehicles.com/trucks/2008superduty/
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So, as an F-450 with a 6,000# payload, is it a 1-1/2 ton truck (next progression after the F-350 one ton) or a 3 ton truck?
Hi, 6,000 lbs sounds like 3 tons to me! But Ford always has variations in GVWR versus payload depending on several factors. Two doors, four doors, 2X4, 4X4, short bed, long bed, and engine options if any. And make the lowest version, like maybe 4,000 lbs, a 2 ton for insurance purposes.

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I consider the F450 to be a ton and half. My F350 is considered a one ton but has a real world bed payload of 3200#...

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F450 is supposed to be 1 1/4 ton, and F550 is supposed to be 1 1/2 ton, but you know how Detroit can massage numbers to make anything look good. Once you get over the F550 and into the Medium-duty truck market (which the F550 used to be considered), you can spec out a truck to change its payload drastically.
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Still trying to figure all this spec stuff out.There is so much of it on the Ford website that I keep having to scroll back up to make sure I have the right one.
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Well, that F-450 will be one styling truck when it hits the market next year. I wonder how much of the stylistic cues will carry "down" the line to the F-250's and F-350's. I understand that the '07 or '08 year was supposed to be the big year for redesign for the F-250's, but from what I have seen, there is very little if any cosmetic changes to them.

BTW, Devoman, the 3/4 ton diesels from Ford, Chevy, and Dodge will comfortably tow anything in the Airstream line if all of this talk about the F-450 is confusing. It is to me and I have an F-250 PSD. I would think, and correct me if I am wrong guys, the gas engines in these models would too but you would get less fuel economy and suffer a little at high altitudes.

I don't think there is any real need to go above 3/4 tons with an Airstream, especially with the Safari line because of its lighter weight. I could be wrong, again chime in here guys if I am, but the one ton trucks and SUV's have pretty much the same towing capacity as their 3/4 ton counter parts with the main difference being additional payload capacity because of heavier suspensions. If you were talking 5th wheels, the difference between 3/4 and one ton would be relavent, but with a tow behind, there isn't a gain in towing capacity that I am aware of without tweaking the drive train and Ford doesn't really allow that beyond differential until you get into the F-550 and up and then you are getting into commercial grade equipment.
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