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Old 04-05-2013, 08:05 AM   #29
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While the 6.0L engine was a disaster, the Excursion also featured:

- worst in class braking (230' from 70-0; 167' from 60)
- worst in class handling/steering (50' turn circle; .68g slalom; 48-mph in slalom, the trailer is better than this)

There are better choices out there for a tow vehicle. Those two categories are at the top of what matters. No wonder there are dozens of threads on Ford truck forums of the need to improve it and an aftermarket developed just for it.

If you want one, have at it. If I just had to have a Ford with big interior capacity I'd choose an Econoline van far ahead of an Excursion in the used vehicle market.

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Old 04-05-2013, 11:50 AM   #30
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Is the braking any worse than other 3/4 ton trucks? Why do I need to do slalom in a truck? I have a sports car for that.

I would rather have had a van but finding one outfitted for passenger use seemed to be harder than finding an Excursion. My Limited Excursion is nice inside. My wife and daughter love it. I like being able to put a bicycle in a van without having to take the wheels off it or for that matter being able to put a motorcycle in the back. So I do miss having a van.

The Excursion is the most modern tow vehicle that I have every driven but I drive older vehicles that are just as reliable as newer ones because I maintain them. In fact, it is the newest vehicle I own. It does not matter how good the new trucks are. I don't have $40-$50k to throw at one. My Excursion is probably 70% as good as a new truck. It cost me about 1/7th the cost of a new one. Despite the short comings, it is much better than 1/7th a new truck in capability.

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Old 04-05-2013, 09:37 PM   #31
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Well, let's see. My truck -- and others -- has come to a full stop when the EX is still trying to get under 20-mph.

An Airstream, behind a number of other TV's, can get through a slalom faster than the EX can solo.

Are we to say that even with competing vehicles FAR better at accident avoidance, be it stopping or lane-changing that a used EX is a good idea?

perryg114 don't you have a thread from today about how your EX suddenly put you into oncoming, or was it overtaking, traffic while towing?

The OP asked about an EXCURSION versus an EXPEDITION. The latter is close to state-of-the-art for an SUV. The former -- with the 6.0l engine -- is a problem from any angle at all.

Steering and braking matter most for a tow vehicle. Interior appointments are at the bottom of the list in importance. They're easy enough to change if one must. Re-engineering the chassis is another thing altogether.

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Old 04-05-2013, 10:18 PM   #32
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How does the suspension and chasis differ from a 3/4" ton truck of the same era? The Excursion is just a pickup with the bed covered.

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Old 04-05-2013, 10:51 PM   #33
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I think the excursion vs. expedition question would be similar to the F150/ F250 question.
I have not had steering or braking problems with my Ex nor have I had rotor problems. Stability /lane changing is no problem. Very very stable, even in emergency maneuvers.
I believe that the standard engine in the Excursion is the gas V10.

I especially like the three door rear hatch. very convenient and you don't hit your head on the open lift gate like the expy.
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Old 04-06-2013, 06:33 AM   #34
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How does the suspension and chasis differ from a 3/4" ton truck of the same era? The Excursion is just a pickup with the bed covered.

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One would want to read the great number of threads on a FORD forum. It is not quite that simple.

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Old 04-08-2013, 09:03 AM   #35
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Diesel Econoline vans with the 7.3 engines have the intercoolers removed due to space limitations. This results in less power and probably reduced durability due to higher exhaust temps.
Vans are noted for their squirrely handling. There is reduced crash protection due to the seating position in the front.
My wife was passing a truck in Mexico driving our Excursion when we had a rear tire blowout with the original and since recalled Firestone tires. With the rough road and narrow traffic lanes, we would have had an accident if Excursion had done anything but track straight and narrow which it did. I endorse what others have said the vice free handling of the vehicle. I agree also with comments about the wide turning ratio which probably contributes to the poor slalom performance. In the shopping center, I pass on parking places and take two tries to park straight when I find a space that fits.
The Excursion is a great tow, road vehicle but a chore downtown.
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Old 04-08-2013, 11:47 AM   #36
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I am kinda wondering about what worst in class means? If the Excursion is grouped in with smaller more nimble SUV's then of course it will be worst in class. My Ranger handles alot better than my F350 did but my Ranger could not haul 3500 lbs of concrete without even batting an eye like the F-350 did. The Excursion should be grouped with 3/4 ton trucks not SUV's. I guarantee it handles better than an empty pickup truck. I have never had a rear end loss of traction with the Excursion like going around a corner in the rain like I have in empty pickups. I have also never gotten it stuck even in sand pulling the trailer up a hill. I have pulled pickups out of the sand with it before.

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Old 05-15-2013, 02:55 PM   #37
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I have an 07 Expy EL with 140k on it and love it...
While I love my truck, if you checked my internet browsing history over the last few years, you'd see that I've often looked on Craigslist for an 04 Diesel Excursion.
I thought I'd add an update to that post as I'm now the proud owner of an 04 Excursion 4x4 with the dreaded 6.0 Powerstroke.

It turns out, if you do your research on that engine, you'll learn pretty quickly that once you address two items, it's a VERY good engine and that most people bashing them don't really have any idea what they're talking about, they're just propagating misguided information because of a design flaw added at the last minute to address emissions. This is not to say that their intentions aren't good, just that MOST don't really understand the issues, they've just read or heard about them and they know to stay away.

I've got an appointment to address two of the issues proactively (oil cooler and EGR).
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Old 05-16-2013, 07:09 AM   #38
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I really appreciate all the thoughts. Since my original post I've towed a couple more 6 hr trips, one to Chattanooga and one to the NC Outer Banks. I've made a little change to my towing rpm in the Expy, going from 2,300 to 2,700 which changed my speed from around 58 to almost 65 mph, that's cut my trip time down.

Another thought that I've had has been in regard to pulling a mid 60's trailer with the stiffer suspension of a 250/350. When we towed our first Barth trailer home we used my brother's F350, which rearranged everything inside the trailer. Most of the brochures for these trailers show them being towed by a Lincoln.
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I thought I'd add an update to that post as I'm now the proud owner of an 04 Excursion 4x4 with the dreaded 6.0 Powerstroke.



It turns out, if you do your research on that engine, you'll learn pretty quickly that once you address two items, it's a VERY good engine and that most people bashing them don't really have any idea what they're talking about, they're just propagating misguided information because of a design flaw added at the last minute to address emissions. This is not to say that their intentions aren't good, just that MOST don't really understand the issues, they've just read or heard about them and they know to stay away.



I've got an appointment to address two of the issues proactively (oil cooler and EGR).


Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I'd be happy to get a report on how the Six point oh no! is treating you after those fixes, Taylormade. It could well be our next tow vehicle.
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I am still driving my 2000 diesel Ex. Now it has 230,000 miles. Latest repairs, last year were oil and fuel leaks. Oil leaks were turbo gaskets and fuel were o rings in injector pump. Both repairs cost about $400 total. Brake discs wore out also after 120k miles, cost to repair about $500. Now I am had the point where the vehicle is as trouble free as a newer one as I am ahead of the game in repairs.
Repairs to bullet proof the 6.0 diesel are in the 4k range so it is best to find one where needed repairs have been done.
This years Expedition has the 3.5 Ecoboost which gives you both the cake and eating--better mileage and more power. Still hearing complaints about the weak rear end not handling heavy tongue weights very well. Best match would be with a 25 foot or smaller trailer.
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Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I'd be happy to get a report on how the Six point oh no! is treating you after those fixes, Taylormade. It could well be our next tow vehicle.
I absolutely love it and, god forbid, if something happens to this one, I'll be buying another Excursion or 250 with the six point blow.

When I bought her, she had around 125k on the clock. Two years later and I've only added another 30k, but I work from home so there's that.

The key to buying used 6.0s is learning as much information about the truck as you can BEFORE handing the cash over. But a Scangauge II or you can use the Torque app if you use a Droid phone.

The head gasket issue is the the big one and it's typically caused by the oil cooler clogging with Ford's Gold coolant and engine shavings. Once they clog, the EGR goes and boom goes the dynamite. With your Scangauge, you're looking for two numbers while operating at normal temperatures: Engine Oil Temperature and Engine Coolant Temperature EOT and ECT in the readout). Your delta between the two WITH THE EGR INTACT should be 15 degrees or less. That will tell you about the oil cooler's condition. When I bought mine, it was around 20 degrees off. Nothing terrible, and I was able to use it as a negotiating tool.

The other common failure is the Fuel Injector Control Module (FICM). With the scangauge, check out the FMP and FVP. You want it to be above 45V. Anything less than that is failing.

Once you bring her home, the fun begins. I did the EGR delete, got rid of the catalytic converter, added a 4" exhaust, swapped the oil cooler for a new one, changed the coolant to EL1, did the blue spring fuel pressure upgrade, added a coolant filter and last but CERTAINLY not least, added the SCT tuner. All that nonsense was less than $1500 and I didn't have to turn a single wrench.

Now, in normal driving conditions, I've got an extra 120hp to play with and I'm averaging 18mpg in the city and 23-25 on the highway, depending on where I'm driving. In the 8k towing tune, I'm getting 14-15mpg while towing my 31' Sovereign at 65.

Lastly, the towing difference between my 07 Expedition EL and the 04 Excursion is night and day. Sorry for the long post, if you have specific questions, just let me know!
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Thanks Handn and Taylormade,
It's great to have those pointers. If we do end up with one, I'll report back here for a high five.
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