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Old 11-14-2006, 06:39 AM   #15
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The V-10s with the 4.11 rear end are gas hogs at highway speed. The 3.73 rear end is adequate for towing up to the Excursion's max towing capacity, and will get from 4-6mpg better mileage under all conditions. See my post above. Another sales point for me that is seldom discussed is that first, with maintenance the 3/4 ton chassis will last about as long as you want to keep it. You can always do engine and tranny transplants, but as long as the body and frame are in good shape, you have a competent tow vehicle. Second is that the Excursion is about 80% recycleable at the end of its service life, compared to about 40% for most conventional autos. I thought that was really significant in terms of being "green", especially when you're talking about 7,000 lbs of 'stuff' vs. 3,500 lbs of 'stuff'. The Excursion is still being panned as an environmentalist's nightmare when, in fact, it's one of the better products out there in terms of being environmentally sound. It has the potential for having a service life of two or three times that of a conventional auto with an attendant savings in production energy and waste products. It's only real shortcoming is gas mileage, and with a solid 14-15mpg that I get, for a 7,000 lb tow vehicle even that's not too bad! And, of course, mine just sits in the garage most of the time unless I'm going on a trip or need seating for eight.

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Old 11-14-2006, 06:39 AM   #16
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I had a '99 F250 4x4 crew cab with the V-10 and 4:30 gears. Mileage was 10-11 MPG towing and 14 MPG highway. Truck was equipped with a K&N filercharger (I swear by them) and a custom exhaust system. I was towing a 34' Featherlight gooseneck car hauler with living quarters. 10,000# empty! Sold the F-250 to my brother with 75,000 miles and he's using it as a welding truck and just turned 100,000 with out any problems.
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Old 11-14-2006, 07:58 AM   #17
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While our Excursion is a 6.0PSD and tows great, we also have the V-10 in a class C motorhome and it's a great engine, if a bit noisy. That engine's longevity in motorhomes should be evidence of its quality and power.

The Excursion is my favorite car. :-) I wanted one for years before we got it and, other than some minor and common 6.0 problems, we love it.
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Old 11-14-2006, 10:48 AM   #18
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I understood that the Excursion plug issues were mostly before the 2002 models. Is that right?
My deal is this- I have the 97 F250 7.3, which runs well, andhas just over 200k on it. It's a diesel..stinky, smoky etc. My wife is not thrilled with it, and the hard ride is hard for her to take for a long trip.
I tow my AS maybe once a month right now, although we will do a 5-6 hr trip each way in the spring and hope to do a longer one in the Summer.
So I am looking for something I can drive to work daily, tow the AS as needed, and will cost me less than 15000 used.
Choices I am considering are F150 2002 and later, Expedition v8 tow package Eddie Bauer ( a good value used). Excurision if I can find the right one, and also Suburbans although I have gotten mixed reviews on the transmissions, etc and their ability to hold up while towing.
I also just might keep the truck I have if I can't put the right deal together. We have had it not 6 months, and I could keep it until Spring while searching for the right replacement.
I appreciate all the input here it is good to hear practical experiences.
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Apparently, Alan, the problem continues through the '06 models. I haven't been able to determine whether most of the incidents are pre- or post- sparkplug change, and although #3 cylinder is a regular, it can apparently happen in any of them. It appears to be a problem across the engine line, not merely on the V10s. The 6 cyl and 8 cyl engines also have had complaints. I've read some places that the torque specs on a spark plug change are critical for those aluminum head engines. My Y2K Ex has the original plugs in it yet at 67k miles. It would also be interesting to know what percentage of engines built have failed due to spitting plugs. Several thousand engines in pool of millions may be a pretty statistically insignificant number. It's not, of course, if you have one of those that failed but still it would be interesting to know.

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Old 11-14-2006, 02:35 PM   #20
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Current issue of Trailer Life (arrived today) has an article about the new Expedition and Expedition EL. Sounds like new stiffer "boxed" frame and towing capacity of around 9,000#. May be close to current Suburban specs.

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P.S. Not much out there over 10,000#...except for the 250's and up pickem up trucks
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Old 11-14-2006, 03:44 PM   #21
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I have a '99 F250 Super Duty LB 4X4 5.4 V8 with a manual trans and 4:10 rear end. I originally bought it too haul a very light weight camper down rough back roads. I sold the camper and bought a '71 Safari that is around 3,800#'s dry and has a GVW of 5,200 lbs. My rig tows this unit fine, without any problems. 70 - 80 MPH on the freeway is no problem. Only time I notice it is going up over a steep mountain pass. MPG is 10-11 with the trailer and 13 -14 without. I have not had any problems with the truck or the engine.
Having said this, if your towing something heavier, I would reccomend going to a more powerful engine.
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GM defanged the 2007 Suburban...it can now only tow a max of 9700 (2wd) or 9400 (4wd).

2006 was the last model year for the 3/4 ton Burb with an 8.1L engine that could tow 12,000lbs w/ 4.10 gearing.

I smell a diesel in it's future, though if I go by the 3/4 ton commercial van lines, it appears that it has the second gen duramax and an upgraded 4L80e behind it.....can't be far off now.
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Old 11-14-2006, 03:56 PM   #23
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We tow a 25 with Excursion V8..

We upgraded last year from 94 Suburban K1500 (200hp @ 5.7L) to a 2002 Excursion with 4.10 rear gears and 5.4L Triton V8. It pulls the 25 just fine, and we enjoy added benefit of airbags, etc... Tow rating only marginally better than Suburban (with 50 hp more...), but chassis beefier and we can occasionally use O/D on flat roads to improve towing mileage from 9 to 11... The 5.4L V8 averages 15 mpg when not towing anything. Wouldn't try a new 28 or larger with the V8...

Saw special report on local news last night here that over 300 spark plug failures reported on Triton 5.4's from 1997 through 2002 models.. NTSA not interested, and Ford maintaining not a design problem (heads appear to be thin and have only 3 or 4 threads in casting to hold plug in place..). Apparently some owners working on January 2007 court hearing to certify class action to pursue Ford remedy.. Stay tuned...

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Old 11-14-2006, 05:43 PM   #24
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Man, folks at Ford just can't get a break. They drop to the #4 automaker, the stock has slid and just when I thought the worst was over, then there's this......

It's no secret that I'm a GM fan, even though they've had issues too, it's hard to fathom and watch Ford take such a beating. I've heard rumors, that I also can't see happening and that's GM and Ford merging. What the heck would we all have to rib each other about if there was no longer a Ford/GM thing? Maybe pulling a 34 footer with an Intrepid.

I hope Ford turns it around.
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A load of Excursion V10 for sale,seems like good prices as well. I am still gathering info, and trying to decide if selling the f250 is a good idea. Might just hold off a few months and let my brain wrap around all this stuff.
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Alan,
I noticed excessive diesel smoke from your truck while at Hiawassee. I have several friends with Duramax diesels in a 2500hd and a 3500. Neither had the noise and distinct smoke yours had. Find someone with a Duramax in 2500hd and talk them into letting you drive it OR go to a dealer and test drive a used model off the lot. Take your wife with you and I think you will see a difference between the trucks. I'd sure go that way before buying an Excursion. By the way, I have a friend who manages a tire shop/ Budget Rental place and he has had a number of his trucks with 5.4 spit out plugs. That is one problem I refuse to accept and why I would never buy a truck with that engine.
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My X blew a plug at 36k miles

Alan,

I had a 2001 Excursion. I loved the truck. It towed great. Pulled a 29' SOB with it that grossed much more than my little Airstream does.

The passenger side next to rearmost plug blew out on mine at 36,348 miles. It was the original plug. I had purchased the extended powertrain warranty; 7 years and 100,000 miles. They wouldn't cover it. Ford wanted $3000 to fix it.

With the entire Triton line, they only tap the threads for the plugs about half the thickness of the roof of the head casting. So you've got about 7 threads holding the plug in. The plugs back out a little, combustion gases get in there and soften the aluminum a bit, and KAPOW! The plug blows out of the head, wiping out about five of the threads, and shoots through the coil pack. It's not pretty.

There's a company called Time-Sert that makes a repair kit for this, so that you can fix it in the truck. Their kit is far superior to heli-coil. Rather than a spring, Time-Sert is an actual "bolt" that is drilled and tapped on the inside. you ream the head out to a much larger diameter, retap, then using permanent loc-tite put the insert in and torque to 20 ft-lb, then run a special mandrel through it that expands it on the combustion chamber side, like a rivet. So its locked in. Fixes it for good, and is the way it should have been made from the factory. That kit is like $350 or so. I've got the kit, and would gladly help somebody out that experiences this problem.

Other than the plug spitting, the X is a great vehicle. Mine had the 3.73 and I got 9-10mpg average towing.
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Alan,
I noticed excessive diesel smoke from your truck while at Hiawassee. that .
It smokes on start up ,stops after a mile or so of driving. Figured most of the older 7.3s do that. At least the biodiesel smells better.
I am looking at 1500 and 2500 Suburbans also...saw a nice 2500 but it had the 454. I am quite familiar with that engine after my moho, and figure the mileage would be a killer.
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