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Old 03-08-2016, 07:39 PM   #15
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According to the Airstream document archive, we're looking at a coach with a gross weight of 9800 pounds. That translates into 1000-1500 pounds on the hitch, if I understand things correctly.

I just looked at the history of the Excursion, and it seems that Ford dropped them in 2005. That makes the newest ones 11 years old, so I don't think I'm all that interested. The Expedition claims that it can tow 9100 pounds, which is less than what a 34' Airstream weighs. Looks like we're back to the F250, which is what we originally thought.
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Old 03-08-2016, 07:44 PM   #16
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Where does all this information come from ? the 5.4 won't pull the hat off a drunk Irishman, I do know I am Irish , and my son has a 5.4 ,which he regrets ....
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Old 03-08-2016, 08:17 PM   #17
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Expedition as tow vehicle?

Any vehicle can pull the trailer as shown by the helpful people posting on this thread but towing comfortably ,safely and with ease this takes a little more thought when it comes to selecting a tow vehicle.
A lot of well meaning posters just pull with what they already own never experiencing a tow vehicle that is more suitable to their application.
Personally I can think of better tow vehicles than a 1/2 ton Expedition.It would be fine for a small trailer but a 28-31 has a heavy tongue weight in some cases exceeding 1100lbs or more that takes a big chunk of your payload capacity.But if you travel light and carry few passengers and count your lbs when packing it may work for you.
Payload capacity on a 2016 Expedition is approx 1600 lbs and It is less on the older models.
The auto manufacturers all brag on the towing capacity and say very little about their payload capacity.

Also keep in mind not all of them share the advertised tow capacity or payload as every truck is different always look at the door jamb sticker as it will tell all.
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Old 03-08-2016, 09:19 PM   #18
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My 2003 Expedition had a payload of 1,600 lbs (higher than a lot of half ton pickups), and a tow rating of 9,800 lbs. I use a Equal-i-zer hitch with 1,200 bars to get everything nice level and within spec according to the CAT scale. Tow a 27FB with a 900lb (actual weight) tongue weight.

It is true I can't carry a load of bricks in the rear while towing. But the 75lb dog and ice chest are fine.

I'm sure the newest models are more capable.
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Old 03-08-2016, 09:33 PM   #19
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I would guess the dry weight of a 34 ft would be close to the max tow rating for an Expedition.
The 34' models have the lowest tongue weight of all Airstreams, hovering just around 10%.
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The 34' models have the lowest tongue weight of all Airstreams, hovering just around 10%.
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That still doesn't change the fact that a widebody 34' empty pretty much is at the max an Expedition is rated to tow.

My only experience with towing with a Expedition is a 5.4 model pulling a 20 ft box trailer with full dress motorcycles in it. The vehicle had no power to spare.
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The 34' models have the lowest tongue weight of all Airstreams, hovering just around 10%.

By design.

Airstreams aren't "a challenge" to tow. A one ton truck isn't necessary for any of them (save for those who want to carry 3k worth of gear).

A big car, a minivan, SUV, or a half ton will work.
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Referring to a three quarter ton vs a half ton. If the drivetrain is the same there is no advantage in towing. Only the payload will be greater. The same engine in a heavier truck?
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By design.

Airstreams aren't "a challenge" to tow. A one ton truck isn't necessary for any of them (save for those who want to carry 3k worth of gear).

A big car, a minivan, SUV, or a half ton will work.

It depends upon the individuals idea of adventure.For instance we have a 28ft International with a tongue weight of approx 1100lbs.We enjoy Atv adventures such as Moab,Jackson Hole,Taylor Park Co and many more.So we have a Can Am Outlander 2 up Atv that fits only in a 8ft pickup box sorry minivans,Tundras And F150's won't work.
Loaded with gear and fuel it weighs approx 800lbs.The 11 ft aluminum ramps to load it weigh 80 lbs.Add two 6 gal. fuel tanks 38lbs,gold sluice and equipment 30 lbs.Fishing equipment30lbs toolbox,two Honda 2000 generators 90lbs,Volcano grill 30lbs,Bag of charcoal 20lbs.
This year we will be adding a Bed mounted Stainless steel Kayak rack 65 lbs to carry our new 12ft Hobie Kayaks 160 lbs.This total 2443lbs
This does not take into account the driver,passengers or gear put in the truck.
When you hear a one ton truck is not ever needed or is a dumb idea or a big truck fetish keep this in mind.Not everyone's idea of adventure is the same.Some roast marsh mellows in a RV park and call it a adventure and that's all good.But others follow a path less traveled and are not like you,we are all different and tow vehicles are made for different applications thankfully.
I could have bought a 3/4 ton but for $600 dollars more and the same ride it would have foolish for me.




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Minivans/Sedans only work if you travel infrequently, locally (say max 2-3 hours away from home), in a relatively flat area, where it that does not get too hot in the summer. Even then, they are temporary solutions (and IMO not safe). These restrictions are too much for most people, hence people use properly rated TVs.

Where I live, a minivan cannot go up some local roads pulling a 8000# load. It will even struggle with a 3500# load its rated for. Its wishful thinking to assume tow ratings are meaningless.
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Tow ratings are a starting point. Trailer selection, loading, and hitch setup will determine success. Study and learn the complete picture. Big cars, minivans, SUVs and 1/2 tons work well for many, many Airstreamers when set up properly.

As stated above, if you need heavy gear for an adventure you need a heavy truck. If your adventure is backpacking you don't.
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Expedition as tow vehicle?

We have a 2003 Expedition Eddie Bauer, 5.4L with tow package, and a 1996 Airstream Excella 25'.

According to the attachment I found on line, the hitch weight is 730 lbs and the GVWR is 7300 lbs.

We seem to have adequate power, even on hills, but the hitch weight for the trailer initially caused an approximate 6" drop in tailgate height. I replaced the rear spring/strut assembly with a Rancho XL heavy duty replacement and the drop reduced to about 3 1/2".

My assessment is that the Expedition is adequate, but a bit more power would be preferable.
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Tow ratings are a starting point. Trailer selection, loading, and hitch setup will determine success. Study and learn the complete picture. Big cars, minivans, SUVs and 1/2 tons work well for many, many Airstreamers when set up properly.

As stated above, if you need heavy gear for an adventure you need a heavy truck. If your adventure is backpacking you don't.
Please help me understand how "trailer selection, loading, and hitch setup" will enable a minivan to tow a 34 ft 10,000# trailer up a grade.
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