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Old 01-17-2015, 06:05 PM   #15
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Pardon me for saying, but a lot of people freak out way too much about published figures.
True it is.

In my experience (as an engineer).......
The company lawyers publish figures calculated at roughly half of what the engineers spec'd them at.
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True it is.

In my experience (as an engineer).......
The company lawyers publish figures calculated at roughly half of what the engineers spec'd them at.
Yes, and for a good reason: its called the safety margin. For example, in civil engineering when the engineers design a bridge they consider a 60% safety margin.

Exceeding any rating means you are operating in the safety margin, and hence by definition are less safe. There is no free lunch.
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Hi, this could depend on what vehicle you are talking about.

Are you talking about a Falcon Ranchero, a 2013 Ram 1500, or a Kenworth? What is the factory payload rating of the vehicle you are asking about?


Are you planning to be overloaded constantly, for a decade and many thousands of miles, or for a few week end trips. I personally don't like going over the ratings, but some people think it's OK.
The TV is a 2013 RAM 1500 with a payload rated at 970#. My wife and I weight about 300 and the tongue weight of the AS I'm thinking of getting is about 800#. So before anything else I'm already 130# over. With the hitch, a suitcase or two and I could be 300# over payload very easily.

I'm not planning on traveling across country for months at a time but could be on the road for several weeks several times a year.

I wish I would have done a little more research and not just looked at tow capacity before buying my RAM. I really like the truck but a few more hundred pounds of payload capacity would have been nice.
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The TV is a 2013 RAM 1500 with a payload rated at 970#. My wife and I weight about 300 and the tongue weight of the AS I'm thinking of getting is about 800#. So before anything else I'm already 130# over. With the hitch, a suitcase or two and I could be 300# over payload very easily.

I'm not planning on traveling across country for months at a time but could be on the road for several weeks several times a year.

I wish I would have done a little more research and not just looked at tow capacity before buying my RAM. I really like the truck but a few more hundred pounds of payload capacity would have been nice.
Hi, if I were you, I would check for the differences between your truck and ones with a higher payload. I'm sure the frame is the same and maybe even the rear axle is the same. [check the axle rating] Even though you can't change the factory payload rating, you could change your rear springs to ones from a higher payload. [Leaf, Coil, or Air Bags] Then change all tires and wheels to what Dodge uses on the higher payload models. These items could be the major difference in the payload rating of the other pick-ups. I know doing that would make me feel a lot better about using a truck like yours. And a lot cheaper than buying another truck.
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So what are the risks of exceeding the payload rating of your truck by two to three hundred pounds?

None you'll be able to discern.
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The TV is a 2013 RAM 1500 with a payload rated at 970#. My wife and I weight about 300 and the tongue weight of the AS I'm thinking of getting is about 800#. So before anything else I'm already 130# over. With the hitch, a suitcase or two and I could be 300# over payload very easily.

I'm not planning on traveling across country for months at a time but could be on the road for several weeks several times a year.

I wish I would have done a little more research and not just looked at tow capacity before buying my RAM. I really like the truck but a few more hundred pounds of payload capacity would have been nice.

Please stop worrying so much about 'payload' and check the numbers.

When buying an Airstream your allowed to put the cart in front of the horse.
Get your 'Stream, hook-up, tow, ck your weights and and proceed with due diligence...



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Hans627,

Just what I would do..

Go to the scales weigh your rig loaded for camping.
Ck the front and rear TV axle weights and compare to the ratings on the driver door jamb sticker.

Do the same for the trailer.
Check the load ratings for your tires. TV & trailer.
Check the hitch receiver ratings.

If your numbers are good...go camping.

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But they aren't by the poster's own admission. He is over payload capacity. So you are saying....get a bigger truck? You're not good to go?

This is a good example of a numbers guy. I like what most folks have had to say here, as long as you are not way over and your set up drives and stops nicely then a few hundred pounds isn't going to cause any real trouble.

Like all things in life, it is a matter of degree. A thousand pounds over is different than a couple hundred. You can't judge a set up based only on the specs. Congratulations to you if you stick tightly to the numbers but others are not wrong if they go over a tad.
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You have asked the same question in a few different threads and you are getting the same answers from both sides of the discussion. You can ask it a hundred times and you'll get the same basic answer every time here. It is totally your decision to make. Only you can make the decision or determination of what is "safe" for you.

I think you have probably read my thread since you posted on it, but if you haven't, you should go back and read my posts with scale tickets and the calculations.

In a nutshell, I am fully comfortable exceeding the MFR's payload rating by a few hundred pounds towing my Airstream with over 1,000lbs of tongue weight.

Now, go have some fun. That is why Airstreams exist.
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I have a 3/4 ton because I have a heavy trailer (1200lbs tongue weight, 11,500GVW), and my weights are all under the tow vehicle's specs, both axle weights and GVW.

However, the max towing capacity of my truck is 9,550lbs, and the GCWR is 17,000, and we are at 18,500 gross combined.

Last year we towed approximately 14,000 miles with the rig, and nothing on the truck has bent, wore out, or broken, except my wallet is a little bent.

Wish I was not over on these numbers, but it would cost me A LOT of money to trade at this point.

Hope it makes it another year or two.
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The TV is a 2013 RAM 1500 with a payload rated at 970#. My wife and I weight about 300 and the tongue weight of the AS I'm thinking of getting is about 800#. So before anything else I'm already 130# over. With the hitch, a suitcase or two and I could be 300# over payload very easily.
Is that 800# a measured loaded tongue weight, or is it a published value?
If it's the latter, you could be over by considerably more than 300#.

I think exceeding the TV's GVWR by 300# really is not a problem if there's no accident involved.
But, in case of an accident -- if a jury in a civil case can be convinced that it really is a problem, then it really is a problem.

As someone said -- it's a matter of risk acceptance.

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I haven't read of any mechanical failures on this forum or vehicle forums by going over payload. If I was reading posts here and on other forums about axle, suspension and drivetrain failures I'd be concerned.

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But they aren't by the poster's own admission. He is over payload capacity. So you are saying....get a bigger truck? You're not good to go?

This is a good example of a numbers guy. I like what most folks have had to say here, as long as you are not way over and your set up drives and stops nicely then a few hundred pounds isn't going to cause any real trouble.

Like all things in life, it is a matter of degree. A thousand pounds over is different than a couple hundred. You can't judge a set up based only on the specs. Congratulations to you if you stick tightly to the numbers but others are not wrong if they go over a tad.
Well, I guess you be smarter than I, the numbers guy.


Read all my posts instead of guessing about what I'm saying...

I'm interested to know how we advise when the OP doesn't even have a trailer yet.

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Theoretically the risk of overload is bent or broken axles. When is the last time anyone has heard of this happening on a truck. I would bet all the truck manufactures are closer to +25-50% of posted specs. They have to be with dynamic loads. The trick is no matter what your loads are don't hit holes/things at high speeds...just a good rule of thumb!
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