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Old 07-25-2013, 01:33 PM   #57
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Wy put slotted rotors on they are basicly for racing and will wear pads much faster
Brakes work by converting kinetic energy into heat. Slotted or cross-drilled rotors generally dissipate heat more quickly than an equivalent flat rotor, therefore would provide better stopping power in situations where braking is limited by heat dissipation rather than tire traction, such as descending a long grade. It's similar to why more rotors are vented now, especially on front wheels.
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Old 07-25-2013, 04:04 PM   #58
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And for what it's worth, we have a 2012 GMC 2500 HD Denali, it rides just a touch harder than a luxury sports car and we get 25 mpg at 65 mph (not towing) with cruise set. And while some will consider it a useless option, the air conditioned seats rock on long, summer drives

WOW seriously,, you get 25 mpg at 65 mph in a Denali.. is that a hybrid or you just dreaming now down wind, down hill I can get 35 mpg on my chev impala 3.9L but i am half your size.. what gives.

What about around town mileage??

how about towing mileage..

this is very interesting to say the least. The A/C seats sounds COOL.. for sure.
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Old 07-25-2013, 06:18 PM   #59
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Just a bit off topic,
'06 chevy diesel was first year of the 6 speed allison.
What year was the start of the DEF fluid smog controls?

I've talked myself into the Chevy over Dodge, Ford, for the stronger tranny.
I hope there is a year or two to cherry pick a good one, , ,
Your question is the reason I opted for the 2007 Classic. The 2007 Non-Classic came with the diesel afterburner, which I did not want. After that they came with urea injection (DEF) system, which I did not want either. I could have purchased a newer model, but the 2007 Classic had the Duramax I wanted and the six-speed Allison.
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Just a bit off topic,
'06 chevy diesel was first year of the 6 speed allison.
What year was the start of the DEF fluid smog controls?

I've talked myself into the Chevy over Dodge, Ford, for the stronger tranny.
I hope there is a year or two to cherry pick a good one, , ,
2001-04 1st gen "LB7" 300hp/520tq known for injector problems
04.5-05 2nd gen "LLY" 305hp/605tq variable geometry turbo + EGR
2006-07 3rd gen "LBZ" 360hp/650tq stronger internals
07.5-10 4th gen "LMM" 365hp/660tq DPF uses extra fuel to clean filter
2011+ 5th gen "LML" 397hp/765tq Urea injection

I only know this because I too wanted the much sought after LBZ.

Also an interesting factor that hasn't been mentioned yet is the value holding power of a diesel. Or the resale value. For a lot of good reasons, my truck is still worth today what I bought it for used in 2009. The same truck in a gasser is about half that.

Someone worked out the fuel cost difference, and it's correct. You have to drive the diesel around 100k miles to make $ sense. But maintenance $ is about the same. The diesel might last longer, but it takes 2x the oil, filters are more expensive, tires are more expensive, etc.

Even as biased as I am about diesel, there's definitely a place for a gas truck. And it makes sense for a lot of people. Personally, I make my own biodiesel, so it has to be a diesel. Even if all the other numbers didn't pencil out.

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Old 07-25-2013, 07:55 PM   #61
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BTW - my new 2013 Ram 2500HD rides at least as well, if not better than my 2013 F-150 EcoBoost and better (both not towing and when towing) than my 2011 F-350.
John,

I have followed your purchases from the F350 and probably all of your posts and your disappointment with the payload of the F150.

We have a 2003 F250 7.3 4-speed auto trans and just got back from a cross country trip with our 25 Excella. My main note was the lack of gears to keep in the power band of the 7.3. It doesn't have lots of get up an go, but we had no problems either.

I have toyed with the idea of a more recent 2007-2010 truck that has more speeds. Haven't researched the Chev / Dodge in those years but feel 6 speeds DOES make a difference. (Ford went to 6 sp in 2011.) Does 5 sp offer a significant upgrade to the 4 sp?

Seeing that you have traded alot and follow these threads with interest, what is your take on Dodge vs Chev .. .. not to start a 'Brands' war but just some subjective feelings.

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Thanks for the excellent info, I now have something specific to look for.
Another issue about gas, EPA diluting the power of gas with the lower power of alcohol (E10, E15, E85,) less power, range, and milage, yet cost still rising.
All they did to diesel is lower the sulfur content, making cleaner fuel.
Thank you for your patience,

now back to "is my truck too big"
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If you keep your vehicles till the wheels fall off the previous posts regarding a diesel cost of ownership is partially correct. But if you trade every three years like we do the hd diesel 4x4 crew cab costs no more to own than a stripped down anemic tow vehicle. How could that be you may ask??Well it's fairly simple , if you take very good care of your vehicles , order all the right options and a good color you will find that in three years these vehicles bring back a large percentage of their original value. as used vehicles of this nature are in high demand as most buyers dont believe they can afford to buy new.You pay more upfront but you get more back at the end in a higher resale value.So using all the creature comfort options and 800 ft lbs of stump pulling torque does not cost much more than tearing up a vehicle that is borderline capable of doing the job.My 2 cents
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Seeing that you have traded alot and follow these threads with interest, what is your take on Dodge vs Chev .. .. not to start a 'Brands' war but just some subjective feelings.

Thanks,
Steve
As I mentioned in an earlier post, I purchased a new Dodge Ram with Cummins Turbo Diesel in 1995. I kept it about a year.
In 2005 I purchased a new Chevy Silverado 2500 HD 4X4 Crew Cab, Short Bed with Duramax and 5-Speed Allison. I kept it 4 years. In 2011 I found the 2007 Classic Silverado 2500HD 4X4, CC, SB with Duramax and 6-speed Allison.
I have never owned a Ford Powerstroke.
I enjoyed the Cummins and its low end torque in the Dodge, but I didn't like the tranny. It was always "hunting" for the right gear, even on the straight and level at constant speed.
The 2005 was a dream come true for pulling Airstreams. I only sold it because I sold the Airstream when I got fed up with WBCCI in 2007.
After pouting for 4 years, I bought another Airstream and the 2007 Silverado.
If you could get a Dodge with a Cummins/Allison combination I might switch.
But as things are, you cannot beat the Duramax/Allison combo in my subjective opinion.
The Duramax is quieter than the Cummins. The Powerstroke is the noisiest of the three.
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Steve,

The reality is all three brands of trucks are really incredible vehicles, as a fan of the benefits of DEF, the new 2013 Cummins has really arrived on scene (love all the updates to the Cummins for 2013).

When I ordered the F-350 with 10,000 GVWR option (basically gets registered as a F-250 avoiding yearly inspections in MD, cheaper State taxes, etc.). In 2011 I was gambling on Ford's new Scorpion diesel and tranny. I never had an issue (I know a few folks have had teething problems with some of the early tranny's) with my engine or tranny. I purchased an after market tank to go from 26 gallons to 50 and was very happy with that truck.

Traded in on 2013 F-150 Eco-Boost for more comfort, better mpg and easier around town commute as I was downsizing from my 30 Classic to 27FB Serinity. Well, the max GVWR for my model and options F-150 just put me in the same boat as my Diesel T-Rex and 2009 Classic 25FB - on the edge of the safe towing envelope and no room to take advantage of the capacity of the trailer or load up the TV with toys and more than one passenger, in fact my Touareg actually had 200lbs more max payload then the F-150 Eco-Boost crew cab and I didn't even have a cap on the truck yet). Two days latter went back to get my F-350 and take some sort of loss for my lack of pre-study (damn deceptive tow ratings - learned a lot about max payload and how the config and options on a truck can changes this from vehicle to vehicle amongst the same models) and that truck was gone.

The difference between the F-250 & F-350 went away in 2013 other than the extra capacity of the F-350 due to the helper springs (both now have vacuum assist brakes and I don't need the helper springs of F-350 towing either the older 30 Classic or the new 27FB Serinity) - without GVWR 10k option and now with same brakes as the F-250, F-350 no longer makes sense for I. I loved the new upgraded Sony stereo and Nav - but stuck with another 26 gallon tank again and to buy something pretty much identical to what I sold 3 days earlier, I went to look at the newly redesigned for 2013 Ram Super Duty.

My opinion, in 2011 Ford F-250/F-350 squeaked ahead, now 2013 I thought the Ram 2500 had the better interior, stereo, nav, ride and newly updated DEF Cummins engine (awesome mpg on this new engine) plus I always liked the look, so I went with Ram.

Looked at Chevy/GMC diesel in 2011 and nothing changed for 2013 - although great truck, for me liked the Ford and Ram better. 2014/2015 for Chevy\GMC oil burners I suspect will get GM back on par with the Ford and newly updated Ram's.

As for extra gears - let's just say more gears the better, my 2014 SRT Grand Cherokee compared to my brothers 2013 SRT Grand Cherokee (exact same 470hp & 465tq engines) my one year newer 8 speed gets 1-2 mpg better than his 6-speed 2013, and faster 0-60 & 0-100 speeds.

So, lets see in ten years how this Ram stands up, as for the Airstream - took me three models to finally get the right layout and decor for me so this 27fb is a keeper, hopefully the Ram is too....
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WOW seriously,, you get 25 mpg at 65 mph in a Denali.. is that a hybrid or you just dreaming now down wind, down hill I can get 35 mpg on my chev impala 3.9L but i am half your size.. what gives.

What about around town mileage??

how about towing mileage..

this is very interesting to say the least. The A/C seats sounds COOL.. for sure.
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Recent trip to Ft. Benning (round trip of 1756 miles), on the way there 24.8, on the way back 25.1 you have to stay out of the Turbo or it's like a having an old 4-barrel carb, you can watch the fuel gauge drop. At 65 mph with the cruise set, runs about 1400-1600 RPM.

Around town have been running around 19 mpg, same for towing but my towing has been very limited, I haven't made a long trip towing yet so not ready to comment on that.
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As for extra gears - let's just say more gears the better, my 2014 SRT Grand Cherokee compared to my brothers 2013 SRT Grand Cherokee (exact same 470hp & 465tq engines) my one year newer 8 speed gets 1-2 mpg better than his 6-speed 2013, and faster 0-60 & 0-100 speeds.

So, lets see in ten years how this Ram stands up, as for the Airstream - took me three models to finally get the right layout and decor for me so this 27fb is a keeper, hopefully the Ram is too....
John,

Thanks for the detail of the decision process. It really helps to understand how one gets to a particular truck / coach.

One thing that I noticed out west was that EVERY 5th wheel & coach passed me like I was pulling with a 6 cylinder. I'm thinking of getting the 7.3 chipped.

When looking at an upgrade I found that I would have to double my investment to go from a 2003 7.3 to a 2007 Chev Duramax (and the '07 would be 6 years old).

The reason for getting the 7.3 in the first place was because of how reliable it is - and so far it IS.

Very informative to read these threads.
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I think that's a great ideal - so much you can do with that engine, increasing both mileage, torque and horses while maintaing your dependability and all easy bolt on stuff! Kinda feel silly for not mentioning or suggesting that as a route to take!
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There is more to the disc brake system than rotor diameter, the size and number of discs in the calipers and the thickness and possible edge venting are major factors why larger vehicles have better brakes for the load they are stopping.
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Looking to purchase either a 2013 Ford F 250 powerstroke or a GMC Sierra 2500HD Duramax would appreciate any input. Current tow vehicle is a 2007 GMC Sierra 1500 Vortec Max towing a 2010 30 ft Classic Limited. Looking for better fuel economy and safer stopping. Thanks for any input
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