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Old 07-24-2013, 09:57 AM   #29
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I currently have a 2008 Ford F150 and a 2008 GMC 2500 with Duramax diesel. Obviously my F150 is not a Tundra but this is my 2 cents. I have been driving them back to back/towing/not towing etc for the last six months. I like the F150, its a loaded Lariat with sunroof/Sat radio and every amenity, but it gets about 13-14MPG city and the best on highway (non towing) is 17MPG empty. As soon as it is towing it drops down to about 10 MPG and I don't like the handling/braking.

The 2500 gets about 15 city and 19-21 highway depending on how I drive. Towing it gets about 18. My trailer weighs about #4400.

I love the 2500 and am going to sell the F150 soon. The only complaint about the diesel is it can be a rough ride on bad roads when it is empty. I have remedied this somewhat by putting some sandbags over rear axle.
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:01 AM   #30
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If all we did was tow our Airstream every time we fired up the truck, a heavy duty diesel truck would be great. If we towed all over Alaska a lot, it would be great. But 90% of the time it's just us and nothing in tow, even on our annual six month winter vacation.

For much less money to buy and maintain, we use a nice, comfortable 1/2 ton set up to adequately tow our Airstream. We know the trailer is behind us when we tow in most places, but just barely.

Everyone's need is different.

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Old 07-24-2013, 11:04 AM   #31
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That road into Skagway is a challenge. We towed our 25' there and my wife drove down the grade into town in 2nd gear. The rotors did not warp. No problem coming back up. Our rotors eventually warped, but that was after 70,000 miles (about 40,000 of them towing). We also went to Haines on that trip and had no trouble there either.

Downshifting should prevent warp for a long time, but a panic stop can warp them on any vehicle and eventually they will have to be replaced because towing does stress brakes. A brake job is a lot cheaper than buying a new truck.

You appear committed to buying a new truck however.

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Old 07-24-2013, 11:37 AM   #32
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I put these brakes on my Navigator. Huge improvement in stopping power.

http://www.buybrakes.com/p-896-power...brake-kit.aspx
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Old 07-24-2013, 11:41 AM   #33
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Reducing the rear tire pressure on any pickup truck to the recommended empty load pressure (for my 2500HD Dodge that is 45psi versus the 70psi when loaded) makes for a more bearable ride when empty.
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Old 07-24-2013, 12:27 PM   #34
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Still reading these comments..

First off, sorry about the brain-fart. Yes, I should have written "descent" not ascent into Skagway. Fairly similar to the pass in Canada we accidentally diverted to near Cache Creek last July. Many miles ago, I installed a set of EBC slotted rotors with the Hawk brand pads. Totally improved braking, but still 1/2 ton braking abilities, not the larger, heavier duty units the 3/4 tons come with. For me (and I was warned about this on the Tundra Talks forum) with our now International fully loaded, along with generator, 2 people, fuel, etc, the GVW of the Tundra is extremely close to being exceeded (if it already isn't). I know the tongue weight on this new FB model is around 100 lbs more than our front kitchen 30 Excella we had.
For now, I'm also "undecided." The Tundra will pull the trailer well. However, I'm not the type to "scream" the motor up to 4 grand to keep up with traffic that's already exceeding the speed limit, and find myself being more exhausted each trip we make with this combo. The Toyota needs more chassis, along with another 150 lb.ft of torque; enough said.
In closing, it is very hard to commit to a vehicle I'll be using as daily transportation between Nov. and April, which might be too much just to have a better tow unit for our Airstream. However, I think my wife and I stepped into that arena last July when we pulled out of Airstream Adv. with this new (albeit heavier) Airstream. Just think everything else is mute. Still looking, still thinking...
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:53 PM   #35
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I had a 2010 F150 And It just was not enough truck for me.I have a 2012 F350 6.7 turbo diesel 4x4 crewcab longbox single rear wheel.I drive it everyday and for those of you that think a one ton or 3/4 ton drives like a dump truck you are in for a surprise.The one ton and 3/4 ride on a progressive leaf spring rear and coil front and they ride nice.Some people on this site just rant and rave about how a HD truck is over kill .......they have no clue what they are talking about
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Old 07-24-2013, 02:38 PM   #36
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Can't let such a blanket statement go without a response in fear of some folks becoming misinformed...

Disc brakes on the trailer do not stop faster than drums on the trailer.
Diesel braking going downhill save both TV brakes and trailers brakes while minimizing the potential of drums overheating thus fading before discs (advantage disc have over brakes).
As applied to Airstreams - electric over Hydraylic often have a "lag" or pause as compared to electric over electric.

From someone who has experience with the above configurations and settings....
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Old 07-24-2013, 02:44 PM   #37
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We have a 2012 Silverado 2500/Duramax/Allison combination to tow our '97 25 foot Safari. Repeat of those who talk about going over passes without having to shift, the engine brake being fantastic, sway control built in, etc. etc.. Used to tow the same trailer with a 2003 Silverado 1500 with gas engine. Not a fair comparison and I would never go back. I will also repeat the better too much than not enough statement. Just got back from Yellowstone and it towed like it wasn't even hooked up to a trailer.
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I had a 2010 F150 And It just was not enough truck for me.I have a 2012 F350 6.7 turbo diesel 4x4 crewcab longbox single rear wheel.I drive it everyday and for those of you that think a one ton or 3/4 ton drives like a dump truck you are in for a surprise.The one ton and 3/4 ride on a progressive leaf spring rear and coil front and they ride nice.Some people on this site just rant and rave about how a HD truck is over kill .......they have no clue what they are talking about
Bullseye on that. I have a 2005 F350 that rides great and the diesel/tranny combo with tow haul can't be beat.
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Old 07-24-2013, 02:51 PM   #39
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BTW - my new 2013 Ram 2500HD rides at least as well, if not better than my 2013 F-150 EcoBoost and better (both not towing and when towing) than my 2011 F-350.
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As long as we're dispelling rumors and disinformation, I'll point out that the 13.9" rotors on a Tundra are very nearly as big as the 13.98" rotors on a current Chevy/GMC HD pickup. The extra 1000 lb of curb weight on the GM will probably use up what extra braking capacity is there. Their dry-conditions braking is within 5 feet of each other unloaded.
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:41 PM   #41
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What a bunch of hooie....mines bigger and better than yours anyway.

Calm down and carry on.

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Old 07-24-2013, 04:53 PM   #42
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Duramax as a Tow Vehicle

To join others who have replied,
I also have the Duramax and I tow our 25' Eddie Bauer with it. Along with the exhaust brake, this combination worked great going out to the Grand Canyon recently. The truck stayed mostly in 6th gear and was fantastic when going up and down steep grades. I did add the Airsafe hitch just for peace of mind, and I do believe the trailer appreciated it.
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