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Old 11-07-2009, 06:21 AM   #29
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it was the 'hybrid' technology they were selling +20 years ago.. how'd that 46 MPG work out for ya?


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Old 11-07-2009, 06:51 AM   #30
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I know this is down the thread but Ford had a recall on 7.3 Harvester Engines last yr,the problem with them stalling or engine shut down at low RPM's. The Cam POSITION SENSOR went bad. I did experience the shut down before Ford did the recall. Fortunately it was always when stopping at a red lite or in a parking lot. I do believe that there had been some high speed shutdowns and Ford was worried about possible lawsuits such as those now brought against TOYOTA. Fortunately I didnt have an accident and I was able to get it taking care of at no cost to me.

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Old 11-08-2009, 05:17 PM   #31
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Late to this one. But for the California patrolman crash, here's my understanding
1) the throttle pedal was stuck (or there was a different issue with the same result).
2) the car was a loaner. The PRNDL had a detent for manu-matic shifting, and the N mark was very close to the "+" mark on the shift lever
3) the car did not have a keyswitch, but a push button. The push button needed to be held down for three seconds before shutting down a running engine. This function may not have been in the operators manual. Either way, it is a very serious thing from a controls perspective to shut down an engine when there are conflicting indications.
4) I thought the passenger was doing the phoning?

On a related note, a consumer magazine checked two German cars with electronic throttles as well as an HHR. The German cars (a VW and BMW) closed the throttle when both the throttle and brake were applied. The Toy and HHR behaved like their analog predecessors. Also, IIRC, both the German cars shut the engine off (with a non-zero vehicle speed) if the on/off button was jabbed three times in quick succession.

I do not know how GM's push button start works, but I'll bet from now on EVERY on/off switched car will have prominent warnings and a "Jab-panic" mode to act as a kill switch.

Of course, I might be responding to something entirely different, in which case I beg an apology.

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