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Old 06-14-2014, 10:15 AM   #71
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I have a brand new (2014) Ram Laramie 2500 4x4 with the 6.7L Cummins. I bought it SPECIFICALLY to tow my trailer. I ordered it in August 2013, and it was delivered 1 November. I have just about 7,000 miles on it, virtually all towing. I just returned yesterday from around 2,200 miles, including the Smoky Mountains. Not mentioned, but important. Fully loaded, I averaged 14.1 MPG with this set-up. One of my Alumapalooza friends got around 9.0 with his Ford 150 and a 30' International. BTW, the '14 2500's have coil springs on the rear -- new for this year, and they provide an awesome ride. I love my new truck and highly recommend it.

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very good info.. you told what year, make, model, drivetrain and engine size, plus with the "fully loaded avg 14.1 MPG" statement let us know all the fact..

too many guy post they have a truck and get 16MPG not disclosing loaded, unloaded, towing non towing. Remember we can not read you mind so put all the fact out so we can be sure of comparing apples to apples.

sounds like a real nice rig for sure

thanks for the complete info.. (two wally salute )

with only 7k mile the mpg should go up.. be nice to hear back on how its doing and mpg towing, non towing going forward.
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Old 06-15-2014, 07:49 AM   #72
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I am not saying six, seven, and eight speeds are bad, but just making the point that most of their use by OEMs is probably to pick up an extra 1/10th of an MPG to meet the ever tightening CAFE standards.

The only time I might see one of these transmissions as bad is if a person had to pay for a replacement.

My bias shows through on issues like this. I used to be a "latest and greatest " kind of guy, I have changed into a "simpler is better" kind of person.

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"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. "

I'm with you here. Jeep is toting a NINE speed tranny for the new Cherokee.

Since most manufacturers are following Audi's, BMW, Mini and others leads by not providing parts for transmission rebuilds, and the transmission has become so complicated that the aftermarket can't supply rebuild kits; how much do one of these transmissions cost to buy complete?

A girl up here had her Mini with only 100 or so thousand kms, lunched one gear of its transmission a couple of years ago. BMW/Mini agreed to sell her a new transmission for $7500 plus $4000 for installation as Mr Transmission couldn't get parts to rebuild the transmission. She smartly got a news crew involved and BMW/Mini lowered the price to $8000 all in.

I'm in no hurry to be joining the "gotta get me more gears" bandwagon as the extra gas saved will be demolished by the cost incurred to purchase or maintain these Uber trannys.

Reminds me of my boss who bought diesel VW's to save money on fuel…….$600 scheduled oil and filter changes every 15,000 kms, (12 filters not including particulate filters). $8000 on repairs to his Touareg last year alone (he hasn't changed the particulate filters yet-$4500). His wife's Jetta (2010 215,000 kms) just lunched her turbo last month, which took out the catalytics and particulate filters with oil from the turbo. VW quoted him $7,000 in parts alone to fix.
Needless to say he will never buy another diesel again.

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Old 06-15-2014, 08:30 AM   #73
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If a person shops around, a rebuilt 4 speed auto for many GM applications can be bought for about a thousand bucks, or sometimes less....

Just sayin.
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Isuzu, maybe he should just never buy another BMW or VW diesel! Jim
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Dodge with Cummins

There will be a time when these cars with multiple speed transmissions will cause the repair of certain vehicles to be deemed economic poor judgement even earlier than they are now.

I guess I am becoming a fuddy duddy but 60k for a pickup truck seems a bit over the top to me.

Additionally, the manufactures aren't putting these multi speed transmissions in vehicles for free. Unfortunately government mandate is making the right to decide whether we want to pay for "the latest and greatest" out of the buying publics hands.
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True facts on an RV and a CDL.

About some other earlier points, at one time Ford did own a controlling interest in Cummins, but that was a long time ago.

On the 5.3 rpm thing, my 5.3 runs at about 2,600 rpm at 70 mph in direct drive. I have 3.73 gears.

I can pull any hill between Arkansas and Tucson easily at 70 mph. This just is.
Ford never owned a controlling interest in Cummins
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have a friend that run a local transmission shop.. we got to talking about the new 6 and 8 speed trans.. seem that same unit is used by a lot of manf..
jaguar, bmw and other..

the talk in the repair world is these are not real dependable unit so far and the repairs is going to be expensive.. not a big deal for the bmw, jaguar people but for the dodge and other is a killer..

guess we shall see..

my thinking is 5 with overdrive via lockup clutch is the best we are going to get for a while.
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Old 06-16-2014, 06:46 PM   #78
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From my experience the newer Toyota and GM 6 speeds are holding out well. We are getting much better service from the new GM 6 speed than we ever did from the 4L60E and 4L80E 4 speeds...
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Not sure but sorta looks like we have scared the OP away.
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Old 06-17-2014, 07:57 AM   #80
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may be watching soccer or looking at a new/used truck. I know at times the OP can get distracted by another thread and forget about this one.

THis forum board is sorta hard to keep up with as well.

plus he/she may have come to the answer they were looking for in the gas vs diesel wars.

I am kinda in the same world of looking to see what might work best and you try to read a lot of different threads to get snip-its of info here and there. I guess it depends on money needed and overall usage of vehicle.

here is something interesting if found out the other day.

I am interested in the ford f-250 super duty with 7.3L units. , I looked at a 2002 excursion 7.3L diesel unit and in look at VIN tag the GVWR was shown a 9200LB,, now on a same year pickup crew cab the GVWR is only 8600.. that is a big difference in the same frame,, why so much more for the excursion?
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Carl, the OP is probably long gone because this thread is so far off his original question. You will probably get more insight on the Excursion GVWR conundrum from a thread not titled Dodge with Cummins.
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may be watching soccer or looking at a new/used truck. I know at times the OP can get distracted by another thread and forget about this one.

Maybe running and looking over his shoulder laughing.
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i hope not. transmissions in trucks are just as important as motors. you can have a good motor and sucky trans and have a sucky truck and viaveria
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Imo, along the lines of. Pappy's thoughts, a gas engine makes more economic sense for towing an Airstream.

My 5.3 pulls my 6,500 lb trailer very well, and i doubt a new cummins equipped dodge could be bought for twice (or thrice almost) what i paid for my. 08 Chevy 4x4.
Try going from Uray Colorado to Silverton, then over to Durango pulling your trailer.....:
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