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Old 08-11-2012, 07:40 PM   #29
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I have a question regarding four wheel vs two wheel drive. Since two wheel drive is less expensive and supposedly delivers better milage is it really necessary to purchase any of these three trucks with four wheel drive.

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Probably not "necessary", but would depend on your definition. Handy? Definately. Even useful? Definately. Necessary? For probably 99% of the time, no. However, at least in this "neck of the woods", you can't hardly give a used 2wd Diesel truck away, so I think you would get your money back when you eventually do trade.
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If you get a 2wd I would get a locking rear differential.
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Old 08-11-2012, 10:45 PM   #31
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I have a question regarding four wheel vs two wheel drive. Since two wheel drive is less expensive and supposedly delivers better milage is it really necessary to purchase any of these three trucks with four wheel drive.

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The answer to your question is totally dependent upon how you plan to use the truck. If you stay on the paved roads and avoid severe weather conditions, the answer is no, you don't need four wheel drive.

We use our truck to go deep into the back country with our truck camper. For us the answer is yes, we need four wheel drive.

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Hi Doug,

Out of curiosity, what TV and hitch do you use on your 25' FC? I have been worried about the implications of a 3/4 ton or 1 ton shaking my AS apart, but others seem to do it without problems, yet I keep hearing warnings about 3/4 ton & 1 ton TVs.

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Old 08-11-2012, 11:06 PM   #33
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In 50 years of driving all over this country I've never seen this, so it's sounds like a story to me. Anyway, so what?

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I amazed that such a trivial thing would be worth suggesting someone is lying. If it is a "so what", why bother to comment and insult someone.

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Old 08-12-2012, 01:33 AM   #34
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Paiceman...you are going to LOVE your new F-250 Lariat. We got ours with the ultrimate Lariat package and like everything about it. We also went with the 4x4 only because we plan to retire in upper Arkansas and thought the 4x4 may be helpful in the Ozarks during the winters. I waited several years for Ford to sort out their diesel engine issues before I purchased. 2012 is the second year of the new 6.7 and so far all of the reviews I have read have been good. I have fiends who speak highly of the Duramax but being a loyal Ford man I just couldn't bring myself to put one in the driveway :-) Dodge was never a thought. They do by far have the best diesel with the Cummings but that is about it. You will have no problem with your 30ft. trailer and the F-250. Only issues as I stated in an earlier post will be the fuel capacity if you choose the short bed. But that can easily be resolved. Enjoy your new truck...steve
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Probably not "necessary", but would depend on your definition. Handy? Definately. Even useful? Definately. Necessary? For probably 99% of the time, no. However, at least in this "neck of the woods", you can't hardly give a used 2wd Diesel truck away, so I think you would get your money back when you eventually do trade.
All the more reason to buy a good used 2WD. Mine was purchased used at a fantastic price. The lower costs will about pay for a new truck versus my having bought a 4WD of the same type over 200k miles. Even in oilfield hotshot 4WD just means higher costs of ownership & operation as it is hardly used (this, with frequent GCW of over 20k lbs) and rejected by many if not most owner/operators.

The roads down which you take your trailer ought to be your guide. A truck is hardly the best choice as a TV in the first place . . how you use the TV the other miles should weigh more heavily. The occasional foray down a dirt road is not a determinant. Nor is the frequency of snow or ice (you'd tow in that?).

Those who buy 4WD ought to have specific reason for doing so (the experience of moosetag with several TV's and years of use being to the point).

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My 2003 Dodge 3500 Quad Cab, 5.9 Cummins, 6 speed with exhaust brake, is so much better of a truck than my old Ford 3/4 ton. That truck was constantly in the shop for repairs and it drove horrible with my camper on. I think it was 1987, can't remember. But my old 69 Ford was an awesome truck. New ones I cant comment on, but I love the Dodge. Yes, I went through the front wheel bearings and replaced them at 70K miles and I did all the U-joints in the driveline and also the carrier bearing. A couple of them were pretty shot. I put in manual locking free spin hubs too and that is an awesome upgrade. You can back up in low gear without engaging 4WD. Probably a bit better fuel economy too. And now you can grease your wheel bearings. It's a very comfortable truck to drive.
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My 2003 Dodge 3500 Quad Cab, 5.9 Cummins, 6 speed with exhaust brake, is so much better of a truck than my old Ford 3/4 ton. That truck was constantly in the shop for repairs and it drove horrible with my camper on. I think it was 1987, can't remember. But my old 69 Ford was an awesome truck. New ones I cant comment on, but I love the Dodge. Yes, I went through the front wheel bearings and replaced them at 70K miles and I did all the U-joints in the driveline and also the carrier bearing. A couple of them were pretty shot. I put in manual locking free spin hubs too and that is an awesome upgrade. You can back up in low gear without engaging 4WD. Probably a bit better fuel economy too. And now you can grease your wheel bearings. It's a very comfortable truck to drive.
Comparing two vehicles 16 years apart in age is an apples to oranges comparison to say the least. Even among the same brand. You didn't specify gas or diesel in the '89 but diesels of that era were naturally aspirated as opposed to the turbo charged diesels if the modern era. You could compare your '03 Cummins to a '12 Cummins and would surely be pleasantly surprised as well.
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My $.02

4wd is more of a luxury. It was 60 years ago when it was invented, and I believe it is now. Buy a 2wd and get stuck more or spend the extra $2-3000 (new) and get stuck less. Simple and straight forward! Less maintenance and mpg without it and less vulnurable with it.

As for Ford vs Dodge vs Chevy.... Theres things you will like and hate about each. Get a 6L Ford, engine problems. Get a Dodge, tranny. Chevy seems to have the best track record except most around here are about rusted in two. Fords got the best interior, especially with the King Ranch package. Cummins has got the best engine (not Dodge!), and Chevy is somewhere in the middle IMO.

If I had more money than such dang good looks Id buy a 2010-13 F-150, 4wd, King Ranch, EcoBoost. Period. But a $40,000 truck is a hair outta my price range lol. Comfort, towing ability, and 22 mpg unloaded
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GM changed the transmission software in 2012 so the Allison upshifts quicker from a stop and feels more responsive than the 2011. Also, Truck Trend published a towing test called 'Power Pullers', testing diesel 3/4 ton trucks. The result was the 2011 Chevy out pulled the 2011 Ford up to the Eisenhower Tunnel dramatically. It wasn't even close. So, regardless of the rated power, the Duramax seems to have far more power when the turbocharger is really active at high elevations. The GM 4x4's have independent front suspension and the steering is more precise than the Ford or Dodge. Truck Trend and Trailer Life picked the GM truck first of the 3 in testing. Something to think about.
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Except that the downhill portion is the only one that counts.
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Old 09-05-2012, 07:24 AM   #41
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Except that the downhill portion is the only one that counts.
I believe Chevy outperformed Ford on the downhill exhaust brake performance as well. At least at the Eisenhower test it did.
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I have read quite a few articles on the new diesels and Chevy does seem to be the best. But Ill never own one lol. You cant get a Chevy with a King Ranch interior! Lol
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