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Old 08-09-2012, 02:12 PM   #15
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One ton truck for medium-sized Airstream. You might look into an Airsafe hitch to help soften the ride for your trailer.

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Old 08-09-2012, 02:14 PM   #16
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I suspect that the Cummins engine would probably be the most robust in terms of longevity, especially considering its heritage.

my concern is that Ford's new engine may not have the longevity that they are marketing. Only time will tell.

On that point I believe that the Cummins and Duramax engines have the edge. As Perry noted, "The most reliable and least maintenance intensive truck wins every time. " I couldn't agree more.

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Rion...agree with much of what you have outlined above...
Cummins has been around a long time and is proven, also know as the most efficient...I would say Duramax is nipping at their heels.
Chevy is know for best road manners...
The new Ford? Let's hope...it looks promising.

Who offers the best warranty?

We are still VERY pleased with our 06 D/A...the combo is just unreal to tow/haul with.
Only complaint is the small tank (26 gal) that was available then...
They have since increased the standard tank (36 gal?)
Other than that, this truck handles whatever we throw at it. We ran x-country last year...sometimes driving 3 days staright (to make CO from New England) in 100+ deg temps...truck just kep on cruising...

Check with moosetags...he just bought a new Duramax...he will have some insight on the new trucks for sure.

Drive em' all again...would be great if you could hook up a load...but I don't know this would be allowed.

I really don't think you could go wrong with any of them...they are all super capable of the job at hand.

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Rion...agree with much of what you have outlined above...
Cummins has been around a long time and is proven, also know as the most efficient...I would say Duramax is nipping at their heels.
Chevy is know for best road manners...
The new Ford? Let's hope...it looks promising.

Who offers the best warranty?

We are still VERY pleased with our 06 D/A...the combo is just unreal to tow/haul with.
Only complaint is the small tank (26 gal) that was available then...
They have since increased the standard tank (36 gal?)
Other than that, this truck handles whatever we throw at it. We ran x-country last year...sometimes driving 3 days staright (to make CO from New England) in 100+ deg temps...truck just kep on cruising...

Check with moosetags...he just bought a new Duramax...he will have some insight on the new trucks for sure.

Drive em' all again...would be great if you could hook up a load...but I don't know this would be allowed.

I really don't think you could go wrong with any of them...they are all super capable of the job at hand.

Good luck, Bill
I doubt that any of the dealers would let me bring an Airstream and hook up, that said, I had a good talk with the sales manager at the GMC dealer and I might be able to talk him into it. The Ford dealer also might go for it if I asked really really nicely like by agreeing to buy the truck and completing all the paperwork but not including the final signature. The Dodge dealer, forget about it, the guy didn't know his product at all.

Thank you for the suggestion to contact moosetags, I've followed his postings for quite sometime and this will give me a chance to introduce myself and get some answers.

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One ton truck for medium-sized Airstream. You might look into an Airsafe hitch to help soften the ride for your trailer.

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Hi Doug,

Out of curiosity, what TV and hitch do you use on your 25' FC? I have been worried about the implications of a 3/4 ton or 1 ton shaking my AS apart, but others seem to do it without problems, yet I keep hearing warnings about 3/4 ton & 1 ton TVs.

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Old 08-09-2012, 09:32 PM   #19
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OK, as a long term Ford owner (1928, 1968, & 2009) I thought I would step on it (maybe I should say jump in). I didn't see much addressing the gassers in the review. We tow a 34 foot itch a 2009 5.4L. My buddy tows. Massive 5th wheel with a F150 powered by an Ecoboost. After talking with him I wouldn't hesitate to tow any Airstream with the Ecoboost. (I might think about it, but I would still go with my 5.4L normally aspirated as well). The upside of the Ecoboost is that you still get 20mph when you are just driving around town. As to back seat space, I have to lean forward to touch the back of the seat in front of me.
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Old 08-09-2012, 10:01 PM   #20
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Hi Rion, I tow the 25' FC with an 2006 Tundra 4.6, about half the torque these diesels make but soft ride for the 'Stream. Equal-I-Zer hitch that I don't recommend because the bars are not flexible, looking for a new one.

We are retired and in no hurry, so that may make a difference to some. Our operating costs are low and the truck is very reliable, plenty of capability for our annual 6 month winter trips. Don't like it as a daily driver though, too big, handles like a truck. Looking at Touareg TDI, Jeep Grand Cherokee, or new Explorer Sport Ecoboost V6 (outa' my way, 1 ton).

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Old 08-11-2012, 09:52 AM   #21
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All that said, great thread. WE HAVE a 2011 F150 Ecoboost Platinum with all the towing stuff you could order. It tows our 25 Flying Cloud just fine. However, we traded the 25' for a new 30' and in so doing are going to a F250 Lariet Diesel. Reasons, payload. Even with the 25' we were right on the line with payload on the Ecoboost. There was not a package to increase the payload and with the rated towing of 11,300 we were not concerned nor was the dealer. Then I did even more research called both factories, Ford and AS and of course received different opinions. So my wife and I made our own decision and ordered a F250 Lariet last night. The Ecoboost is only a year old, a neighbor is buying it for his boat and so it only cost us $3,000 for the year we have had it. The F250 has everything including the 10,000 payload etc. We test drove it four times, in the hills of Pittsburgh adn averaged about 12mpg, not bad. We know it will be more expensive to operate, maintain, but for us at least safety and being legal becam over riding factors. We have see several trailers pulled over this year by local cops doing a door sticker check and a trailer sticker check.

Good luck, I've always been a Ford person and the F250 was very smooth and quite.
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We know it will be more expensive to operate, maintain, but for us at least safety and being legal becam over riding factors. We have see several trailers pulled over this year by local cops doing a door sticker check and a trailer sticker check.
In 50 years of driving all over this country I've never seen this, so it's sounds like a story to me. Anyway, so what?

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Old 08-11-2012, 10:44 AM   #23
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In 50 years of driving all over this country I've never seen this, so it's sounds like a story to me. Anyway, so what?

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What? The more expensive part, or the cop checking stickers part?
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Decisions, decisions ain't it fun!

I don't know if you are a DIY'er (Do It Yourself) or a DIFM (Do It For Me) type when it comes to regular maintenance on your TV. But if you go back to each of the 3 diesels, open the hood and compare the engine bay access on each of these, I think I know which truck will win. Is it a turning point in the decision process? DIY or DIFM. But several years ago (I think with the 6.4L) it pretty much became SOP for the entire Ford cab to come off to do most of the more major repairs on the engine.

The Cummins' Columbus MidRange Engine Plant builds the Dodge engine and from '92-'06 they produced 1.5 million engines and still going. Source Turbo Diesel Register issue 77, page 61 Aug. 2012.

You have a fun decision ahead of you. Good luck.
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I doubt that any of the dealers would let me bring an Airstream and hook up, that said, I had a good talk with the sales manager at the GMC dealer and I might be able to talk him into it. The Ford dealer also might go for it if I asked really really nicely like by agreeing to buy the truck and completing all the paperwork but not including the final signature. The Dodge dealer, forget about it, the guy didn't know his product at all.

Thank you for the suggestion to contact moosetags, I've followed his postings for quite sometime and this will give me a chance to introduce myself and get some answers.

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You rang?? I do have some impressions from our new 2011 Chevy Duramax one ton to share with the group.

We have now had the new truck for exactly one year. It is just about to turn 30,000 miles. We have been all over the country in it.

Let me start by doing a little recap of my truck shopping experience. We spent about six months shopping for the new truck. We extensively researched and shopped all of the one ton diesel offerings (Dodge, Ford, and GM). As we were also planning the purchase of a pop-up truck camper, a one ton diesel tow vehicle was all that we considered. Our plan was to carry the truck camper (3,000#) while towing the Airstream (7,400#). We also wanted a crew cab, long bed with single rear wheels.

We liked all three trucks. We eliminated the Dodge first because the back seat area of the crew cab was a bit tighter that the Ford or GM. Since we needed at long bed, the Mega Cab was not an option. Additionally, the Dodge's payload in the single rear wheel configuration was not quite where it needed to be for our use.

This left us going back and forth between the Ford and the GM offerings. We really only looked at Chevrolet as we travel extensively, and Chevrolet Dealers are easier to find then GMC Dealers. Our research had disclosed that warranty work on a GMC could only be performed (without cost) at a GMC Dealer.

We liked both trucks equally, and preferred some of the Ford features over the Chevrolet. It was getting down to price being the deciding factor.

Our wants and needs were pretty specific, so a custom order was the way we had to go. Long bed crew cabs with single rear wheels are no a real hot item on the dealer's lot, especially with the snow plow prep package, and no carpet in fire engine red.

We started getting prices for what we wanted. We found the Ford dealers that we contacted were less than enthusiastic about custom ordering a truck. One told us that he would find the truck that we wanted. He came back to us with an F-250 in white with two wheel drive. He seemed to feel that was close enough. Another Ford dealer wouldn't even discuss customs ordering a vehicle. A third one gave me a price right at sticker.

I also contacted three different Chevrolet dealers. All three came back with a price based upon my specs. There was nearly a $4,000 difference between the three, high to low.

Being that the Chevrolet was coming in at about $5,000 less than the Ford, we decided to go Chevrolet. We ordered the new truck on June 28, 2011, and took delivery on August 5, 2011.

We immediately started towing Lucy with the new truck. The performance was quite impressive over the 3/4 ton Suburbans that had always been Lucy's tow vehicles. Accelerating while towing up a 7% grade was no problem. We picked up the Outfitter truck camper out in Colorado in late September. The addition of the 3,000# truck camper did not seem to impact the truck's performance.

We have now put 30,000 miles on the new truck. Virtually all of these miles have been with the truck camper on board, and about half with Lucy in tow. Fuel mileage has been a little disappointing. With just the truck camper on board, I am getting around 14 MPG, and with Lucy in tow, I am getting Around 11 MPG.

The truck itself has not had any problems. The only item that has been repaired under warranty was a faulty cigarette lighter receptacle. The truck has now been serviced three times, and I replaced the fuel filter on the most recent service.

The servicing of a diesel engine in more expensive than gas engine service. I decided that I just have to deal with it as I don't think that a gasoline engine could do well in my situation.

Is the Chevrolet better than the Ford? I don't really know. I just know that, thus far, the Chevy has worked out well for me.

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Hi Doug,

Out of curiosity, what TV and hitch do you use on your 25' FC? I have been worried about the implications of a 3/4 ton or 1 ton shaking my AS apart, but others seem to do it without problems, yet I keep hearing warnings about 3/4 ton & 1 ton TVs.

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I would look into the Andersen hitch. It has some cushion built into it with the large rubber washers. ( i wish I knew what they were called.). I noticed it going over bumps. My old WD would increase the jolt as the AS went over the dip or bump where the Andersen hitch takes it out.
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Rion thanks for the write up on the TVs. I have a 2007 Yukon with 122K on it and just took it over the mountains of Western MD. Although it did well it did feel under power going up some of the steep inclines other then that it handle well. But now after your report I will begin looking at new TVs as we plan a trip out west and then to Alaska. It will probably be a truck and not and SUV.

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I have a question regarding four wheel vs two wheel drive. Since two wheel drive is less expensive and supposedly delivers better milage is it really necessary to purchase any of these three trucks with four wheel drive.

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