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Old 08-19-2010, 05:51 PM   #85
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Ford Voter here.

On the used aspect the 6.0 diesel from 06-07 is awesome. Ford fixed all the kinks. Great engine. Albeit,it was bad from 03-05. I believe the later 6.0's will prove themselves as great as the 7.3 diesels. I do research on these engines almost daily. The 08-10's have the worst MPG, from what I've seen,so scratch those off the list. My 6.0 isn't to good either,,,towing I get 11 mpg,driving 75-80. Otherwise it chipped and I get 20 hwy and 16 city.
I'm gonna let the 2011's F250's prove themselves before I pull the trigger. When I do this will be my last pick-up. I'm gonna keep it for the rest of my life. Yes I have that much faith in Ford. I have owned 14-16 brand new Ford pick-ups since I was 18 years old. Never had an Issue. I just kept upgrading. Awesome company and you can support capitalism by buying Ford. No bailout there. Buy guilt free!!!

Also, If I were to have to make my decision now it would be the Ford. I have 80,000 miles on my 07, 6.0 and can't quite make that leap just yet.No Problems at all. Probably around February. Ford is too proud of them right now.

I did go to my "dealership" and worked some numbers on a 61.000 truck and they came off 6100.00 off sticker if that helps. But this was a Loaded Lariat 4x4.

Let us know what you decide.

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I have been studying the info on the Ford and GM improvements for 2011. Both have significant new features that interest me.

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Also, are there any thoughts on crew cab vs. extended cab trucks. We are leaning toward a crew cab, but a foot shorter overall length might be nice. Does the extra foot really mean anything when the truck is already that long?

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Crew cabs are nice, but I need an 8 foot bed as I sill use my truck for work. 8' bed on a crew cab truck needs alot of room to park and maneuver. Even if I could get by with the shorter bed, the Fords the short beds come with a smaller fuel tank. Diesel is much easier to find today, but it wasn't so with my first one. Without the trailer, I can often go over 600 miles without refueling my 39 gallon tank on my 2001 F350. BTW the Ford super cab is 21 inches longer than a reg cab and the crew cab is about 36 inches longer that a reg cab. That's measuring all with 8' beds.
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all 2011 gm hd configurations come standard with 36 gallon fuel tanks.
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Is anyone reporting accurate (hand-calculated) mileage on the 2011 Ford 6.7 yet?

At 70 mph highway, my 2010 6.4L gets 9-10 towing a double axle 7000 lb. boat trailer, 11-12 towing a 3500 lb. Airstream, and about 15 unloaded.

It's completely stock (no engine, tire or exhaust modifications) except for front bumper and bed topper.
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2011 GM HD got bragging rights over 2011 Ford HD for only a short time. Ford has made a software change for the diesel and now it has 400 hp and 800 torque which beats GM's diesel. Free update for existing 2011 diesels.

In the dually heavyweight race, Ford made a steel change and now can carry more weight than GM.

The kicker is that with the software change, the new Ford diesel gets a 2% fuel improvement. Now if Ford will only make the diesel tank around 36 gallons regardless of bed size like GM did.
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Is anyone reporting accurate (hand-calculated) mileage on the 2011 Ford 6.7 yet?

At 70 mph highway, my 2010 6.4L gets 9-10 towing a double axle 7000 lb. boat trailer, 11-12 towing a 3500 lb. Airstream, and about 15 unloaded.

It's completely stock (no engine, tire or exhaust modifications) except for front bumper and bed topper.
I find your diesel fuel mileage somewhat disappointing. I get 10 mpg on my Suburban 2500 6 liter gas engine pulling my 7400# Airstream. I have always thought that a diesel would give me a 40% mileage benefit over my gas power plant. With no better mileage with a diesel, I don't if I want to pay $8,000 for the diesel option, 20% higher for fuel that is harder to get, and double for servicing. With these figures, it doesn't seem that a diesel is at all worth it.

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Moosetags, I agree with you.
The diesels of the newer trucks have the most horsepower and torque ever and you have to pay for it someplace.
When I had an old 84 Ford with a IH diesel I got great fuel mileage and the truck had little maintence and could run forever it seemed although it lacked power.
Now with all the fancy air polution req. and every company competing for a number 1 spot on who can haul more, etc, etc., it is becoming pretty expensive to own a diesel truck of any brand.
I bought my new truck in 2007 and really like it but there are other alternatives. I think your wise to check out gas power plants in the truck you like. Put the extra money you save into extra time on the road.
It used to take about 130,000 miles to break even between the extra cost of a diesel vs gas truck. Now I believe it will take a lot more miles to say the same thing. The filters cost more and so does the oil, and the air filters are out of site.
Diesels are great in the mountains but other than that I see no benefit and they do still pollute more.
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Moosetags, I agree with you.
The diesels of the newer trucks have the most horsepower and torque ever and you have to pay for it someplace.
When I had an old 84 Ford with a IH diesel I got great fuel mileage and the truck had little maintence and could run forever it seemed although it lacked power.
Now with all the fancy air polution req. and every company competing for a number 1 spot on who can haul more, etc, etc., it is becoming pretty expensive to own a diesel truck of any brand.
I bought my new truck in 2007 and really like it but there are other alternatives. I think your wise to check out gas power plants in the truck you like. Put the extra money you save into extra time on the road.
It used to take about 130,000 miles to break even between the extra cost of a diesel vs gas truck. Now I believe it will take a lot more miles to say the same thing. The filters cost more and so does the oil, and the air filters are out of site.
Diesels are great in the mountains but other than that I see no benefit and they do still pollute more.
Thanx for your input. I am now back to looking at the available gasoline power plants. There seems to be no real advantage in diesel, especially considering the significant additional costs with virtually no return in economy.

This puts me back to Ford and GM as Dodge doesn't have a gasoline offering in the 3500 series.

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Reassessing, I just went on the Ford and Chevrolet sites and priced out a 2011 Ford 350 XL, 4x4, long bed, crew cab with the new 6.2 liter gasoline V-8 with the 4.30 rear. The sticker comes in at $40,170.

A Chevrolet 3500 Work Truck, 4x4, long bed, crew cab with the 6.0 liter gasoline V-8 with the 4.10 rear comes in at $38,190.

Both are similarly equipped with six speed automatics, camper mirrors, roof marker lights, running boards, basic radio, towing, package, vinyl seats, and rubber floor covering.

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Brian: Gene touched on this, I used to do land surveying and we had International Harvester trucks that had a crew cab and body in the back. They were long. They could go a long way off road but they would high center easily. So going across streams and over big ruts is where you might want to look at the length/height differences.

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Brian: Gene touched on this, I used to do land surveying and we had International Harvester trucks that had a crew cab and body in the back. They were long. They could go a long way off road but they would high center easily. So going across streams and over big ruts is where you might want to look at the length/height differences.

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Thanx Randy. I have thought about the long wheelbase being susceptible to off-road high centering. I've decided that it is something that I will have to deal with unless I can find a truck camper that I want to fit flush in a 6'5' box.

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As a diesel owner, something comes to mind that I never see mentioned in these discussions. If you plan to do a lot of traveling off the beaten path, diesel can often be difficult to find. On more than one occasion, I have had to drive well out of the way to find a gas station with a diesel pump. This is a non-issue on interstates where truck stops are plentiful and in flatter areas where farmers buying fuel for their equipment make for a thriving diesel fuel market. However, in mountain country, the quaint out of the way places that are prime Airstreaming grounds often prove difficult in my search for fuel. I've had a few old timers working the counter in rural convenience stores look at me like I had sprouted a third eye when I asked them where I might find a nearby store that sells diesel. My solution is to always carry a couple of military jerry cans in the back of the truck full of diesel fuel, just in case the search proves fruitless. 10 gallons is enough to get me down the road another 150 miles with the Airstream in tow. That's usually enough to find civilization. One of these days, I'll spring for a 60-gallon auxiliary tank to mount in the bed of the truck, but those things are ridiculously expensive for what they are.
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Thanx for the insight. I have noticed that diesel is not readily available in some of the more remote areas that we frequent in search of Mooses.

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