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Old 08-17-2010, 06:44 PM   #57
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Brian,

You cannot go wrong with an F-Series Ford truck sized to your pulling/load carrying requirements. You lose about 400# of tow if you go 4x4 and another 3-400# with the diesel.

Our AS are the same model and mine loaded goes to 6100#. I don't know where you pick up the extra 1000#. You may want to check the scales or don't carry so much food .

2airishuman: The dealer incentives are the same with or without the A, X, or Z plans. The dealer must show his invoice, and depending on what plan he's looking at, the price is automatically set and his incentives subtracted from that price. No haggling.

I am bias to this vehicle since I was the product planning manager for the Expedition/Navigator and F-Series before my retirement. GM and Dodge have good products, but they really can't beat Ford in the marketplace. The sales numbers and performance speak for themselves.

Oh, BTW, we do it without government help/interference and no break from the UAW.

PM me if you need any purchasing details.

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Old 08-17-2010, 06:59 PM   #58
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And the 4x4 is a handy 400 lbs to take with you - it'll get you out of some spots you'll be grateful for... Like any time it rains and you're in a field.
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...The dealer incentives are the same with or without the A, X, or Z plans. The dealer must show his invoice, and depending on what plan he's looking at, the price is automatically set and his incentives subtracted from that price. No haggling...
the no haggling thing clearly attracts some buyers, it was THE big thing with saturns...

of course price is but ONE variable,

since traded value, discounts on accessories, comp service...

and a whole LOT of other things can be on the hagglin' table.
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NOT disagreeing with the above quote, but adding a bit more info/complexity...

as i understand it (skipping A, Z, D plans) the x plan is ~ 0.4% lower than invoice.

(which is 200-300$ on a 50-60,000$ truck)

--but includes a MANDATORY advertising fee of ~300$ and CAN include a 75$ admin fee.

--then there is "fuel fee" and shipping which also show up on the invoice.

--so the fees alone can add 1400 $ to the final price, unless hagglin' (which is part of INVOICE pricing)

--X plan buyers must use ARBITRATION for any warranty disputes.

--X plan buyers must have LEGITIMATE access to a PIN (dealers are forbidden from giving them away now)

--X plan SELLERS (the dealer) cannot 'sweeten the deal' by including COMPLIMENTARY accessories or service...

--so they cannot simply throw IN a bed liner or bug deflector or winter mats or 3 oil changes, and so on...

>>>in other words the dealership cannot SWEETEN his X plan 'package' to undercut another dealership,

or ADD value to the customer transaction with merchandise/accessories...

which means the customer has fewer incentives available.

and there are a FEW customer rebates that don't apply to x plan buyers and a few INeligible vehicles...
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living in a metro area where there is a F assembly and Ge'em assembly plant

means these "plans" and the folks using them are all around and openly discussed in every new car lot.

but the pricing differential has changed,

the FEES the mothership charges dealers are higher, and the TRACKING of plan use is tighter.

i purchased 5 years ago with "the x plan" and it was clearly a better deal than simple invoice/negotiating.

and about 4-5 months AFTER the purchase

a F corporate employee (investigator) made contact to 'audit' the x plan transaction (it felt like a mini IRS colonic)

but this year is different and the X plan is not necessarily better price wise and more tightly controlled.

PLUS YA GOTTA HAVE access to A LEGIT PIN...
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ultimately all that matters is that the buyer is HAPPY with the price and vehicle.

and in this case that whatever is purchased is UP TO THE TASK of towing AND hauling mobile living space...

cheers
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Hi guys. Trying to work my way thru this thread. What does SRW mean again? My Gomer side is showing.

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Old 08-17-2010, 09:15 PM   #61
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Watch what the "car haulers' are using on the road for a TV. Up in the Northwest all you see are Dodges. I've seen photos in TurboDiesel of Dodge diesels with over several millions miles on them. It is a work horse. I have been a GM person all my life up till I purchased an 06 Dodge Cummings. Couldn't be happier with my choice. This is just my opinion.
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Hi guys. Trying to work my way thru this thread. What does SRW mean again? My Gomer side is showing.

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Old 08-17-2010, 10:56 PM   #63
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Our AS are the same model and mine loaded goes to 6100#. I don't know where you pick up the extra 1000#. You may want to check the scales or don't carry so much food .
Hi, greatlakes. Your Safari is like mine and rated at 6,300 lbs, but some later models and front bedroom models are rated at 7,300 lbs and that is where Brian got the difference.
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Ford, Chevy, dodge, this is a very old debate... These days they are all good trucks, all three with pros and cons. although I'm saying go Ford superduty, gone through a few in last 10 years with no problems. I have a 06 5.4 F150 now for daily driving it rides nice but its kinda a guttless wimpy truck... Driving my Power stroke is a treat!
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I exclude the Dodges because you just don't see very many 20 year old Dodges on the road.

I exclude the GMs because they don't have great specs. There's just too many things not rated for that grade of truck.

Dave, here is one of the not very many 37 year old dodges on the road
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Here is another 37 year old Dodge.

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I exclude the GMs because they don't have great specs. There's just too many things not rated for that grade of truck.
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Also, are there any thoughts on crew cab vs. extended cab trucks. We are leaning toward a crew cab, but a foot shorter overall length might be nice. Does the extra foot really mean anything when the truck is already that long?

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[QUOTE=greatlakes;884012]Brian,

Our AS are the same model and mine loaded goes to 6100#. I don't know where you pick up the extra 1000#. You may want to check the scales or don't carry so much food .

I have weighed Lucy twice on Cat Truck scales. I weighed her by herself unhooked from the tow vehicle. Once she weighed in at 7300#, and the other time at 7400#. Lucy is a Front Bedroom which I believe is heavier than the corner bed 25 footer. These weights were done with Lucy all packed up for a cross country trip. She has the added weight of a Hensley, full LP tanks, a nearly full fresh water tank, and well over 100# of Moose Tags on board. Lucy doesn't travel light.

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On the crew vs extended cab issue. My previous truck was the three door type, it was nice, but having the four doors means there is a lot of additional in cab room. Usually there are four of us in the cab, plus the dog. It would have been way to tight in the old truck, but very comfortable for us now. Also, we don't own a traditional sedan. When we go out with another couple, the truck is comfortable doing double duty as opposed to taking two vehicles.
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Crew cab or Extended cab.

I had both and for ease of use and comfort and useable space you can't beat the crew.
I have a 3500 Chevy Silverado crew with 8 ft. bed, 4x4, dually wheels and Duramax diesel and Allison trany. It's a great tow vehicle and seems to be made for long distance travel.
The seats in the Chevy were by far the most comfortable to me when I was looking (2007).
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