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Old 10-01-2017, 03:34 PM   #57
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I live rural. My job was RR conductor for 40 yrs. last 15 or so commuter trains to Chgo. Mandatory to get into town to work. Have had to drive across fields to get to work as our town ship very lax in plowing roads. Point is w/out 4 wheel drive wouldn't have made it. I had to do this many times as our rd. drifts in and closed, not even emergency veh. can get thru. I have called 911 about our rd. and stranded vehs. operator couldn't believe conditions that bad most other rds. good shape. Those that live in subdivisions or cities don't have a clue about conditions in country. Some of RR crews live in town can't make it to work, IM O bunch of pampered wimps and to lazy to shovel snow or try. Just take easy way CAN'T MAKE IT. In total time on RR got stuck one time but made second trip of day after going across field w/volkswagon, promptly got rid of 2wheel drive pick up for 4 whd even last 4 cars all wheel drive. If stranded and at zero temp. won't last long. Bottom line my wife and I are die hard 4 whd owners as both sons are, also having been raised in country and still living rural. As for 2 or 4whd it's your choice. As for safety we will stick to 4whd. Follow up our rd. is not isolated as many many cars use as short cut to highways, and major school bus rt. Yes I'm opiniated but at 83 Ive earned that right.
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Old 10-01-2017, 04:12 PM   #58
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I have been going back and forth trying to decide on a GMC 2500 or 1500 with a 6.2 v8 and max tow. I also wanted the smoothest ride possible for ever day use. Yesterday I Test drove a 2500 Denali thinking that the magnetic ride would help smooth it out. I found out that the magnetic ride is only available on the Denali 1500. My test ride just about beat me to death! I have the 1500 ordered and will stay with it. Also disappointing was the Denalis payload. A little over 2000 lbs on a 2500!
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Old 10-02-2017, 07:13 AM   #59
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There is only so much magic they can do with a suspension. Optimizing for a soft ride when empty generally means that you have a challenge when it comes to a full loaded towing situation. Yes, if you go with all sorts of auto adjust stuff, it could compensate. I have yet to see that sort of gear in a pickup truck.

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Old 10-03-2017, 09:56 AM   #60
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I have been going back and forth trying to decide on a GMC 2500 or 1500 with a 6.2 v8 and max tow. I also wanted the smoothest ride possible for ever day use. Yesterday I Test drove a 2500 Denali thinking that the magnetic ride would help smooth it out. I found out that the magnetic ride is only available on the Denali 1500. My test ride just about beat me to death! I have the 1500 ordered and will stay with it. Also disappointing was the Denalis payload. A little over 2000 lbs on a 2500!
Are you sure that is right? As per sticker? I had a 2500 gmc Denali package standard bed and payload was the 2800~. I have a 3500 now or I would go take a pic. But it certainly wasn't anything near 2000lb payload.

The 2017 F250 xlt standard is listed at 3300. My buddy has the f250 xlt power stroke and his sticker says 3100. I would imagine Ford would be touting its payload vs GMC until the cows come home if that much of a difference.
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Yep. Saw it on the sticker. Have to imagine it was the weight of the diesel that did in!
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Are you sure that is right? As per sticker? I had a 2500 gmc Denali package standard bed and payload was the 2800~. I have a 3500 now or I would go take a pic. But it certainly wasn't anything near 2000lb payload.



The 2017 F250 xlt standard is listed at 3300. My buddy has the f250 xlt power stroke and his sticker says 3100. I would imagine Ford would be touting its payload vs GMC until the cows come home if that much of a difference.


For what it is worth, my 2017 Denali 2500 HD DURAMAX has a stated payload (on the door sticker) just under 2,000 lbs.

I also verified the base vehicle weight with fuel, no passengers on CAT scales and it is right at ~8,000 lbs, whereas GVWR is 10,000 lbs.

The Diesel engine has hundreds of pounds to the vehicle, reducing payload as compared to the Gas version. Mine is also a crew cab.
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For what it is worth, my 2017 Denali 2500 HD DURAMAX has a stated payload (on the door sticker) just under 2,000 lbs.

I also verified the base vehicle weight with fuel, no passengers on CAT scales and it is right at ~8,000 lbs, whereas GVWR is 10,000 lbs.

The Diesel engine has hundreds of pounds to the vehicle, reducing payload as compared to the Gas version. Mine is also a crew cab.


The current Duramax have the lowest payload ratings of the big three. The most recent hill climb towing video they had to limit the load because of the “legal” payload of the duramax.
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Not being familiar with all brands of 4x4s. But one thing not talked about is how useful low range can be, in addition to 4WD. Do most brands include a low range capable transfer case as part of the 4x4 options?

With the amount of times I use low range to position my AS, I would not trade it at all for a bit more load capacity. No drama, no lurching, controlled maneuvering of the airstream on any grade pad.

I'm sure there's fun stories about leveling an AS on an incline onto lego blocks. 2WD without low range...no thanks.
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Not being familiar with all brands of 4x4s. But one thing not talked about is how useful low range can be, in addition to 4WD. Do most brands include a low range capable transfer case as part of the 4x4 options?

With the amount of times I use low range to position my AS, I would not trade it at all for a bit more load capacity. No drama, no lurching, controlled maneuvering of the airstream on any grade pad.

I'm sure there's fun stories about leveling an AS on an incline onto lego blocks. 2WD without low range...no thanks.


The issue with low range 4x4 is some brands also lock the differentials in low range. This makes moving while turning, especially sharp turns, very hard. If you’re on pavement with good traction, this is a very good way to break drivetrain components.
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Two campgrounds where we went into a site down a sandy gravel incline to be right on the water and then out the other end, up hill, sandy and gravel as well and after a rain, I needed 4x4 low to get the trailer out. So, if you plan on boondocking etc I would think you might want the 4x4.

The ride of my F350 is something I like and enjoy and it is my daily driver, although I don't go to work anymore, I do volunteer at various places a minimum of three days per week so it is driven quite a bit.

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The issue with low range 4x4 is some brands also lock the differentials in low range. This makes moving while turning, especially sharp turns, very hard. If you’re on pavement with good traction, this is a very good way to break drivetrain components.
Does seem most pickup 4x4s don't have a center diff. Only a straight transfer case, limiting its use to unpaved, lower traction surfaces.

Curious about pickups in general:
1) Does any brand 2WD model offer low range?
2) Does any brand offer a center diff for their 4x4s (i.e. 4WD)?
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Does seem most pickup 4x4s don't have a center diff. Only a straight transfer case, limiting its use to unpaved, lower traction surfaces.

Curious about pickups in general:
1) Does any brand 2WD model offer low range?
2) Does any brand offer a center diff for their 4x4s (i.e. 4WD)?
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Based on my experience with "AWD" in cars, it's pretty useless. You very much want things as locked up as you can get them when trouble comes along.

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Old 10-12-2017, 09:42 AM   #69
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Again, just to clarify my feelings. I believe 4x4 capability is very desirable and will come in handy in many situations where you were not considering the campground roads or perhaps the weather while towing. I did like the GMC 3/4 T ride also, but the payloads with the diesel were not very good; I have a 1100+ tongue weight, kayaks, generator, firewood, and camp gear which weigh in around 2000 with wife and full load of fuel. I chose the F250 6.7 4x4 SuperCrew, because of the payload, the torque (950lbs). The ride with the 2017 and 2018 F250 is night and day over the older Ford 3/4T trucks. I know many folks will argue that a nicely equipped F150 or other 1/2T can do the job. I loved my F150 EB 4x4 for pulling the 25', and really wanted to get a 2017 model, but wife kept pushing me to look at the F250. After comparing the two and now with experience towing my 28' with the F250, I am happy with my purchase. An F250 3/4T diesel Supercrew with 4x4 for larger AS's is my recommendation, if your going to be doing a lot of travel. A lot of folks like the F350 also; supposed to be same ride just more payload and around the same price. One thing for sure, these trucks are not cheep, so make sure you do your homework!
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The issue with low range 4x4 is some brands also lock the differentials in low range. This makes moving while turning, especially sharp turns, very hard. If you’re on pavement with good traction, this is a very good way to break drivetrain components.

However I can't imagine why one would need to go Low-Low on dry pavement.
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