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Old 04-23-2018, 06:32 AM   #1
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Disappointed in 2017 Expedition

Iím in the market for a new tow vehicle. My 2013 Escalade has 85000 miles and is getting long in the tooth. Still works fine, but I think Iíd prefer something newer.

Due to life circumstances I am restricted to a vehicle less than 211Ē long. That rules out all trucks. And since itís a daily driver I prefer SUVs anyway.

And I canít afford a new Escalade.

So I was looking at Tahoe, Yukon, Expedition, and Armadas.

My Escalade has a 1500 lb payload, which works for me. But Iím right at the line and would prefer not to go lower that that.

I was disappointed to find out that nicely appointed Expeditions were at the 1300 lb mark. An XLT was 1400. I know Iím taking a couple hundred pounds, but this is a binary decision for me. Iím either overloaded or Iím not. And I need 1500 lbs of payload to not be overloaded.

Dang.

So Iím off to buy an Armada this afternoon. It doesnít have an integrated brake controller or trailer sway control or any of the nice tow features the Fords have. But it tows 8500 pounds and they have 1500 pounds of payload.

Sigh...
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Old 04-23-2018, 07:53 AM   #2
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Based on not a lot of technical data, Iíd be excited to own a new Armada. The new ones are based on the Nissan Patrol platform which Iíve always thought looked cool. One of the best looking full size SUVs out there in my opinion. I think Nissan would be well served to rename it the Patrol like in the rest of the world.

The 5.6L engine is a beast (same one they are using in the Titan XD), and I donít think youíll miss the trailer sway control. Some folks argue that you should disable that anyway with a proper WD hitch setup. Throw a Prodigy P3 in there and be happy.
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Old 04-23-2018, 09:52 AM   #3
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Escalade to Armada sure seems like a lateral move without much change/benefit?

Or is the Escalade just falling apart? 85k doesn't sound like much to me and it should just be hitting its stride?
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Escalade to Armada sure seems like a lateral move without much change/benefit?

Or is the Escalade just falling apart? 85k doesn't sound like much to me and it should just be hitting its stride?


Yeah, the only benefit is a newer vehicle under warranty with a lot fewer miles.

The Escalade works great. Itís just pricey to get it serviced. I could have it serviced by third parties but then I introduce a whole new set of variables.

Plus, I should add, that the CFO (my wife) approved the purchase IF and only IF the rear seat was a bench seat and not a Captains chair like the Escalade. Because.... of the dog. Heís not very comfortable in a Captains chair.

Yes. I based my tow vehicle purchase decision in part because of my dogís comfort level. Iím not exactly proud to admit it, but it is what it is. I love that dog...
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Old 04-23-2018, 10:30 AM   #5
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No need to apologize.

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Old 04-23-2018, 11:00 AM   #6
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Servicing a vehicle can't be more expensive than buying a new vehicle? But I get it, you have other considerations too.
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You specified the 2017 Expedition in the title... but the 2018 is a different critter, I'd expect it to have more payload since they now have lighter bodywork. (That's just an expectation, mind you, I'm not in the market at all and mostly wouldn't be for an SUV, so I haven't watched their payload closely.)

Have you seen payload numbers for 2018 short-wheelbase Expeditions? On a Ford forum I saw some postings of door stickers off Platinum short-wheelbase 4WD models that were over 1500 lb. Platinums tend to be bloated-with-options units so that should cover what you're looking for, though of course you're not likely to find any bargains yet since Expeditions and Navigators seem to be selling really well.
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My base Infiniti QX56 has 1609 payload not bad but changes quickly when you add extras like bigger rims, televisions etc.
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My base Infiniti QX56 has 1609 payload not bad but changes quickly when you add extras like bigger rims, televisions etc.
The payload change for bigger rims is probably because they use different tires on the giant flashy wheels. Since wheels/tires are unsprung weight the only payload effect should be from the weight-carrying capacity of the tires.
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Curious why you elected to skip the Tahoe/Yukon in favor of the Armada. I know itís subjective, but Iím curious.
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Yes. I based my tow vehicle purchase decision in part because of my dog’s comfort level. I’m not exactly proud to admit it, but it is what it is. I love that dog...
Perfectly reasonable. I do it ll the time.

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My current crew members include the Plane Captain, the Purser, and the Wait Staff (2), all doggies. DW is copilot and daughter is navigator. I get yo be Command Pilot and do all the driving....
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I have a 2017 4x4 Expedition EL XLT, with the max trailer package, heated and cooled leather seats, sync 3 nav, and sunroof for options. Has bench for second row. On the door jam sticker it list my payload 1452 lbs. GVWR per door jamb sticker is 7760 lbs. Mine also has 18 inch wheels and 3.73 for gearing.
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Curious why you elected to skip the Tahoe/Yukon in favor of the Armada. I know itís subjective, but Iím curious.

No reason other than wanting something different. The 2017-18 Armadas are very nicely appointed for the price. But if I canít find what Iím looking for I would certainly consider a Yukon/Tahoe that gives me 1500+ payload.
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