Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 12-30-2006, 09:59 PM   #29
Moderator
 
moosetags's Avatar

 
2015 25' FB Flying Cloud
2012 23' FB Flying Cloud
2005 25' Safari
Santa Rosa Beach , Florida
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 10,762
Images: 5
No one ever seems to talk about servicing the diesels. I understand that is somewhat expensive as compared gasoline engines. Is this correct?
__________________

__________________
SuEllyn & Brian McCabe
WBCCI #3628 -- AIR #14872 -- TAC #FL-7
2015 FC 25' FB (Lucy) with HAHA
2005 Suburban 2500 Quadrasteer (Olivia) & 2018 Silverado 2500 (Lillian)
moosetags is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2006, 07:23 AM   #30
Huh?
 
Ultradog's Avatar
 
1975 27' Overlander
Twin Cities , Minnesota
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 494
Images: 8
Folks go round and round with this question on the tractor forums that I hang out on.
I think the general consensus is that a diesel will last longer than a gasser and it gets better mileage.
Personally I don't like diesels.
They STINK and they are incredibly NOISY.
As for size, I just bought my second Chevy 2500 HD.
http://www.airforums.com/forum...evy-28451.html
It's got the standard 6.0L, auto, and the trailer tow package.
I pull a 7000 Lb. trailer a lot with it and can't imagine why I would need more horse power.
A diesel is at least $5000 more than a gasser too. It would take a lot of miles to pay that off with the increased fuel mileage that a diesel gets.
Since I never run mine more than 150 K I would never get it back.
__________________

__________________
Ultradog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2006, 07:31 AM   #31
Rivet Master
 
Happycampers's Avatar
 
1979 30' Argosy
Havelock , where we park it
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,652
Extra fuel tank

How many people have an auxillary fuel tank in the bed of their trucks..??? We are about to put one in our diesel truck.
__________________
Marvin & Annie
Niki (fur baby)
1979 Argosy 30 (Costalotta)
WBCCI 10103
"Happiness is a warm Puppy" Charles Schulz
Happycampers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2006, 09:44 AM   #32
2 Rivet Member
 
Hawk_Man's Avatar
 
1975 28' Argosy 28
Hopkinsville , Kentucky
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 33
Images: 39
Marvin, An extra fuel tank would increase your weight by several hundred

pounds and would just decrease your existing gas mileage. Unless you use

your truck for business, it may not be cost effective. If you just want

a safety net carry a 5 gallon jerry can mounted inside the bed of your

truck.

Just a thought

Regards, Keith
__________________
Hawk_Man is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2006, 12:40 PM   #33
Rivet Master
 
davidz71's Avatar
 
1986 25' Sovereign
Southern Middle , Tennessee
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 3,148
Images: 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Happycampers
How many people have an auxillary fuel tank in the bed of their trucks..??? We are about to put one in our diesel truck.
I have considered it due to the 26 gallon fuel tank on my shortbed 2500hd (holds just over 27 gallons though). At 10-11 mpg towing, it would be nice to have a 50-80 gallon transfer tank in the back just so that I can buy gas at the price I want to pay rather than being at the mercy of a late night high priced pump. I wouldn't think that the added weight would effect the big block or diesel engine that much.
__________________
Craig

AIR #0078
'01 2500hd ext. cab, 8.1 litre gas, 5 sp. Allison auto
3.73 rear end
Mag-Hytec rear diff cover
Amsoil Dual by-pass oil filtration system
Amsoil synthetics all around
265 watt AM Solar, Inc. system
davidz71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2006, 05:12 PM   #34
1 Rivet Short
 
1989 25' Excella
By The Bay , Rhode Island
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,547
Images: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultradog
Folks go round and round with this question on the tractor forums that I hang out on.
I think the general consensus is that a diesel will last longer than a gasser and it gets better mileage.
Personally I don't like diesels.
They STINK and they are incredibly NOISY.
As for size, I just bought my second Chevy 2500 HD.
http://www.airforums.com/forum...evy-28451.html
It's got the standard 6.0L, auto, and the trailer tow package.
I pull a 7000 Lb. trailer a lot with it and can't imagine why I would need more horse power.
A diesel is at least $5000 more than a gasser too. It would take a lot of miles to pay that off with the increased fuel mileage that a diesel gets.
Since I never run mine more than 150 K I would never get it back.
The new generation of diesels do not stink/smoke like older diesels. And boy are they quiet, the direct inject (common rail) really quieted them down in this latest generation. Several of my buddies, have looked at me puzzled when they saw I was driving diesel but couldn't hear me coming!
Also, you don't buy a diesel, or any TV based on HP, it is the torque that gets you towing. And this diesel torque is really the reason many of us have gone diesel, not the economy (although it doesn't hurt!). I am pretty sure no one got into the AS game thinking they would save $

Happy New Year to All!
Bill
__________________
*Life is Good-Camping all around the Continent*
*Good people drink good beer-Hunter S Thompson*
BillTex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2006, 06:03 PM   #35
2 Rivet Member
 
1969 31' Sovereign
Elizabeth , Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 76
I am currently driving an 04 E 350 12 pass van with a 6.0 diesel. It replaced my 15 pass E-350 with a v10. by far I prefer the diesel. The fact that it is a full size van makes it the perfect tow truck. It lets me carry more of the accessoriies for camping, easy to load and unload and gives me good mileage. If you seriously look at all the info including the price of diesel contained in this thread, you will realize that the costs are really the same over 100k miles. Things like depreciation, insurance, original cost all even out over time if you keep the truck long enough. Therefore, buy what you like to drive, enjoy the travels, and stay out of these endless and useless discussions, because if you are driving the car you really like, you will enjoy the trip that much more.
__________________
stagecoachbill
WBCCI #5345
62 Globe Trotter 19'
69 Sovereign 31'
04 E-350 Van 6.0 diesel
stagecoachbill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2006, 09:36 PM   #36
Rivet Master
 
ROBERTSUNRUS's Avatar

 
2005 25' Safari
Salem , Oregon
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 7,266
Images: 18
Blog Entries: 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by stagecoachbill
I am currently driving an 04 E 350 12 pass van with a 6.0 diesel. It replaced my 15 pass E-350 with a v10. by far I prefer the diesel. The fact that it is a full size van makes it the perfect tow truck. It lets me carry more of the accessoriies for camping, easy to load and unload and gives me good mileage. If you seriously look at all the info including the price of diesel contained in this thread, you will realize that the costs are really the same over 100k miles. Things like depreciation, insurance, original cost all even out over time if you keep the truck long enough. Therefore, buy what you like to drive, enjoy the travels, and stay out of these endless and useless discussions, because if you are driving the car you really like, you will enjoy the trip that much more.
I second that.



Bob
__________________
ROBERTSUNRUS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2007, 07:55 AM   #37
Moderator Emeritus
 
Pick's Avatar
 
1972 31' Sovereign
High Springs , Florida
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 2,310
Images: 36
Send a message via AIM to Pick
It would be a tough call for me, if I had to replace my Duramax/Allison combo. With the D/A option getting close to $8K and diesel 20-30 cents higher than regular, it's going to be a hard decision in the future. However, since I have owned mine, diesel fuel has dipped as low as 30 cents lower than regular on several occasions. Fortunately it was low in 2004 during my move to Florida where I made 5 trips back to Ohio!!!

I would give the big block gasser a serious look if you are using it 12K a year or less.
__________________
ARS WA8ZYT
2003 GMC 2500HD 4X4 D/A Ext. Cab
Propane Powered Honda EU2000i
Lots of Hot Sauce!
Air # 283
WBCCI 1350
Pick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2007, 08:29 AM   #38
Rivet Master
 
Pop Rivet's Avatar
 
1990 25' Airstream 250
Altoona , Georgia
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 805
Images: 5
Make sure you are paying attention to the important stuff. To me, big blocks and diesels pretty much do the same job. the real question is overall weight - braking system - comfort and pleasure of driving - visability - and most important of all "color". Gotta be silver. Make sure there's a comfortable place for the dog!!
__________________
Pop Rivet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2007, 09:31 AM   #39
3 Rivet Member
 
Brow324's Avatar
 
2007 27' Safari FB SE
Scurry , Texas
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 135
Here's my thoughts on this...with a bit of math from our recent trip.
I tow with a 2001 Chevy 2500 HD...4:10, w/ 8.1 with Alison tranny. This truck could pull anything I'd ever put behind it and pulls our 27 FB with ease no matter what the terrain or altitude. But it does drink gas. Above 70mph the gas mileage drops to 8mpg...7 if I'm bucking a head wind. But at 65mph I usually get 9mpg. Considering that the truck gets 10-11 mpg without a load, driving around town, that doesn't seem to be a considerable drop while towing. The power and performance of this truck are worth it. I've been considering a newer truck, and switching to diesel 4wd, but have been wondering if there would be any savings down the road. Considering that I don't use my TV for daily driving and normally use it only to pull the AS, which is about once every 60 days with a couple of long trips per year, the gas consumption hasn't bothered me. The Alision tranny is all it's cracked up to be and provides up and down hill service without comparison so it will be the tranny of choice from here on, despite the gas/diesel choice. Our last road trip, just a month ago, showed gas at an average of $2.20 and diesel at an average of $2.60. The trip was a 2500 miler. We purchased approx 312 gallons of gas = total $685. The same trip with diesel would have consumed approx 192 gallons ( @ 13 mpg average)..and run approx $500 in diesel fuel expenses, a difference of approx $185. My two long trips per year and several short hops around Texas might end up totalling $600 difference for the year in a gas/diesel comparison. The question is this: would switching to a diesel truck offset that savings? (My 01 just hit 90K miles and still has many years of service left). Over the course of ownership...say 8 years...that would be a high end total fuel savings of around $4800. Compared to the initial cost of $6500 for the duramax diesel option plus the added expense of oil changes it looks like the gas hog comes out the winner in the long run, if 8 years and approx 100K miles is the ownership/use duration. Even at 10 yrs the gasser would come out ahead in expenses. In my particular use scneario to equal out road expenses the ownership term of the diesel would have be exceed 11 years. Fuel for thought....
__________________
'07 27 FB - H.A.
Brow324 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2007, 10:17 AM   #40
tpi
Rivet Master
 
2005 25' Safari
Trabuco Canyon , California
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 866
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by moosetags
No one ever seems to talk about servicing the diesels. I understand that is somewhat expensive as compared gasoline engines. Is this correct?
It hasn't been the case for me. I bought my '99 F250 7.3 new and it now has 109,000 miles. I do my own oil changes and routine maintenance. The engine has required no repairs-only oil and filters. The oil filter costs about $10. and it takes nearly 4 gallons of oil at about $28. so these costs are a bit higher.
__________________
tpi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2007, 12:55 PM   #41
3 Rivet Member
 
Brow324's Avatar
 
2007 27' Safari FB SE
Scurry , Texas
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 135
Originally Posted by Happycampers
How many people have an auxillary fuel tank in the bed of their trucks..??? We are about to put one in our diesel truck.

I have considered it due to the 26 gallon fuel tank on my shortbed 2500hd (holds just over 27 gallons though). At 10-11 mpg towing, it would be nice to have a 50-80 gallon transfer tank in the back just so that I can buy gas at the price I want to pay rather than being at the mercy of a late night high priced pump. I wouldn't think that the added weight would effect the big block or diesel engine that much.


****

Since I have a 26 gal tank, I normally carry an extra 5 gal fuel in the back of the truck when I'm towing the AS. If I'm going to be in no man's land type territory, I carry 10 gal. (2 x 5 gal containers) Recently had to use them in the middle of West Texas at 1:30 in the morning. First time in years I've actually had to use the backup gas but was mighty glad to have it. However, we usually are ready to stop and stretch our legs, let the dog stretch and relieve herself, etc, about every two hours or so while on the road so I just gas up when I get down to around a quarter of a tank...unless, of course, I missed my gas stop in the middle of the night like I did in W. Tx.
__________________
'07 27 FB - H.A.
Brow324 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2007, 05:11 PM   #42
Rivet Master
 
ALANSD's Avatar

 
1966 26' Overlander
Woodstock , Georgia
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 8,462
as for me, I sold a recently purchased F250 diesel...nice looking clean truck (with a stinky noisy motor) and bought a V10 Excursion used. The Exc tows smooth and strong, I understand what it means to not realize the Airstream was behind me. I got 10-11 mpg in town towing, but never needed the highway so I can say what that mpg would have been. On the 97 diesel 7.3 I got little if any better difference in mileage, and the fuel was 50 cents a gallon more.
Not knocking diesels, but I will say this V10 is very strong.
__________________

__________________
1966 Overlander
AIR #005
Please visit our blogs and web pages:
OUR AIRSTREAM PASSION! BLOG
RESTORING AN AIRSTREAM
Our AIRSTREAM and TIN CAN TOURIST Rallys
ALANSD is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Which tow vehicle for a 19' Bambi? Jay_Iski Tow Vehicles 50 02-21-2017 08:12 AM
Diesel tow vehicle-tips? maxandgeorgia Tow Vehicles 27 08-27-2006 11:28 PM
gas valves gmlcjb LP Gas, Piping, Tanks & Regulators 5 07-17-2006 10:31 AM
Oven gas line broken lbrodsky LP Gas, Piping, Tanks & Regulators 4 07-23-2002 04:52 AM
Small gas gen sets FrankR Electrical - Systems, Generators, Batteries & Solar 0 04-12-2002 03:37 AM


Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:58 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.