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Old 08-01-2015, 08:53 PM   #113
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NOT the hitch nor the tow vehicle...

There are many people I know that I will not ride as a passenger, operating a vehicle that is idling, non the less moving!

Tow Vehicles, Hitches, Brands of Tire, Tire Pressure, Loading, Trailer Brand... mean little when an incompetent driver is towing on the road. Highways are their "accidents in waiting" exhibited by these individuals as they maneuver among the general public.

You know them personally and avoid them while traveling. There is no application process or education requirement to be a fool.

An experienced driver can do wonders with the pieces of doodoo available at the time of purchase, provided by a RV Dealership. Yet numb nuts will prove all of us wrong about towing and hitches, while using less brain power to tow a trailer than it takes to turn the key in the ignition and engage the transmission into drive.

A tow vehicle, hitch and trailer in the control of many drivers is already an accident in progress. Our hope is that these individuals recognize their limitations, before, not after they injure themselves or others in the process.
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Old 08-08-2015, 11:06 AM   #114
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Le bal des fous furieux!

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B27d...t?usp=drive_we

(Apparently you will have to take the partial file and find it. Once I save the file some of the information is removed once posted. It is well worth the effort to track this down and watch 7 minutes of French racing.)

file/d/OB27dcecK6EOucDZDTXZTNnM1ZDA/edit?usp=drive we


Airstream owners take pride in their towing abilities and have had to avoid the "other drivers on the road". More than 4,000 miles were added to our trailer from mid June to the end of July 2015. The biggest threat to our safety were those not towing and wanting to maintaining their 20mph over the posted speed limit. This video is to celebrate all of us who have the discipline and full control of our trailer while in tow.

My suggestion to those who do like pushing the limits of their towing ability is to video tape their racing another Airstream down the quarter mile track with trailer attached. I am certain that any of the drivers on this video will volunteer to do it, with your trailer, if asked.
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Old 08-08-2015, 02:33 PM   #115
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Speed is the problem. That guy was driving way too fast. Trailer towing is not to be confused with hurrying. I feel unconfortable above 60 mph.
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Old 08-09-2015, 09:46 AM   #116
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Just to (hopefully) put a little more balance into this discussion, we bought the 27' 2013 EB and intended to put a Hensley or PPP on it. In the take-home tow we found that the Equalizer that came with the AS was steady as a rock, even downhill on twisty construction lanes whilst being passed by 18 wheelers. Yes, we did experience the push-pull as the monsters passed close at hand with concrete barriers on each side, but absolutely no sway. Having pulled a lot of trailers, I can say that I was very, very impressed with the Equalizer. Of course, the sound it makes on steep turns with some slope variance is a lot like a dragon being strangled, but that just builds character!
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Old 08-09-2015, 09:56 AM   #117
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If you look closely this is a old style ford F250 that has a lift kit and big custom tires and wheels.Looks like he choose tires with alot of sidewall therefore alot of flex.Great for off road use but a poor choice for large trailer towing.
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Old 08-09-2015, 10:44 AM   #118
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Lorden,

As a FYI, I feel the push and pull with a Propride when being passed by a semi if that helps you any.

I don't belive those who say they don't feel it.
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How is it that everyone is so wrong but me….kidding

I think…..in this situation….and often many others, that there are a few causes that contributed to this accident. I have learned this when trouble shooting mechanical and electronic problems.

I was also taught this in driving school.
Wet roads…it's okay.
Driver malfunction…recover.
Faulty equipment…drive slow.
Add all those things together and a sneeze….all heck can break loose.

In this situation….High winds, driving too fast, aggressive lane change, and the vortex of a semi. Then the driver didn't apply the trailer breaks.

I have never experienced " oscillating sway "…knock wood. NOPE NOT KNOCK WOOD….I take a LONG time to change lanes. AND…I drive like changing lanes is not an option. ( In snow, I drive like I have no brakes. I refuse to tow in snow )
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Old 08-09-2015, 11:45 AM   #120
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Lorden,

As a FYI, I feel the push and pull with a Propride when being passed by a semi if that helps you any.

I don't belive those who say they don't feel it.
Ted,
Yes, you do "feel" the wind from passing vehicles on the HAHA or PP. What you don't feel is articulation between the AS and TV (sway)... Because there is so little that the whole "rig" feels like a single unit.

As the "wind bubble" /bow wave of an overcoming vehicle proceeds from stern to bow of your rig, the "pressure" will be felt. It actually has the feel of a boat in that you "crab" to compensate for the pressures felt and maintain your lane of travel.
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Old 08-09-2015, 11:49 AM   #121
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Crash while towing down the interstate.

Most of the time I don't feel a truck passing at all. On the rare occasion I do, it is just a feeling, and very, very mild.

In disclosure, I drive fast enough that I don't think a truck has ever blown by me running 15 or 20 mph faster than me.
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Old 08-09-2015, 12:34 PM   #122
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Not sure what the "push pull" being discussed amounts to with the Hensley/ProPride. To put it another way, with a strong cross-wind and semi passing, the worst of conditions, two fingers on the steering wheel would be plenty to drive our truck, a 120" wheelbase reg cab Ram on by the way.

I wouldn't drive this way nor suggest anyone else do, but that's all that is needed. The trailer stays in alignment with the truck, it is very relaxing and surprising the first time a semi passes compared to other hitches we have used.

Speaking of strong crosswinds, that is another important advantage of this style hitch. Again the truck and trailer remain in alignment, the trailer is not pushed out of alignment with the truck, there is no angle between them going down the road.
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Lorden,

As a FYI, I feel the push and pull with a Propride when being passed by a semi if that helps you any.

I don't belive those who say they don't feel it.

Thank you for your honest assessment Ted
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I guess this has turned into another "hitch" thread. I wonder if I will wake up tomorrow and this thread will be gone like the last one.
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I guess this has turned into another "hitch" thread. I wonder if I will wake up tomorrow and this thread will be gone like the last one.
Could be !

Regarding the idea of sideways "push", I have four trailers I tow regularly. One of them is a 33' gooseneck horse trailer. To be honest, there are occasional times when a passing semi or over-the-road bus passes by me on the highway, and I feel the push even with this setup ( F350 diesel dually ).

It could be that some folks are "more" or "less" sensitive to these kinds of input. So it could be that some folks simply don't feel it. We have no way of knowing exactly how another person "feels" things when they are driving.

Also, some folks may be reacting, or indeed, over reacting to certain movements.
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Old 08-10-2015, 03:30 PM   #126
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found this on youtube in teh comments section of the video..

Published on Jul 20, 2015
Interstate 86 Idaho

this was the comment.

"My wife and I actually passed this just after it happened. Looked like everyone was out and nobody got hurt. On our way to Jackpot,NV from Gros Venture. The speed limit has been raised to 80mph in Idaho,and I saw many tow vehicles pushing the limits. The winds were gusty at 30-40mph that day. It was pushing us all over at 60mph and we have a very dependable set up, and a heavy vehicle."

Wonder how fast the trucker was going adn how fast the Trailer tow'er was going..

So it seems wind, too tall of tires on TV was noted on one post, maybe not a good tow bar, and too much speed..

i guess they see the speed limit at 80 and what the hell..
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