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Old 08-11-2015, 08:16 AM   #127
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Crash while towing down the interstate.

The better the TV, the less the effect of crosswinds. TV weight is distinctly secondary to this.

TV weight becomes more of a penalty as COG rises. As above, sloppy tires and lift kits make for the worst TVs among trucks, themselves the worst performers. Feedback to the driver via steering is already terrible on 4WD pickups. Add things together for diminution of performance. It's real.

I've been averaging 80k miles or so annually the past few years. I can practically pick out the soon-to-be-crashed RV rigs. And have. Usually it's a tire on the trailer (any type) that goes, then the trailer goes off the pavement edge. And that's all she wrote.

Toy hauler owners are the worst group for too fast driving. With the worst rigs. The truck driver joke is that those guys are baby daddies . . . 'cause they sure ain't fathers. We all feel sorry for the kids.
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Old 08-11-2015, 09:30 AM   #128
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Yes, you do "feel" the wind from passing vehicles on the HAHA or PP. What you don't feel is articulation between the AS and TV (sway)... Because there is so little that the whole "rig" feels like a single unit.
Mine moves as a single unit, as well, with a Reese Dual-Cam.
BUT--
Its a medium-sized trailer, smallest model with 2 axles. and that second axle was an option; (they made them with only a single axle in these years; adding a second axle, 2 extra tires + brakes is overkill.) It has a short rear overhang, and is nose-heavy. probably the most stable scenario you can get.
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Old 08-11-2015, 03:39 PM   #129
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Since this thread just goes on... and on... I might as well add another two cents.

I am of the opinion that towing over 2,000 lbs should require a separate license with proper training and testing. I am also of the opinion that at the weight where a trailer is required to have brakes, one of the anti-sway hitches should be mandated as well. From what I can tell, that amounts to either a 5th wheel, Propride, Hensley, Equalizer, or similar hitch.

I recently visited a salvage yard where recently totaled vehicles are brought prior to auction. There was about a half acre of demolished travel trailers there. All appeared to have been the result of "trailer-snaking" as it is called in academic literature. None had any of the hitches that more or less permanently attach to the trailer to minimize or eliminate sway.

Factually, very few drivers have the foggiest idea on how to load and pull a trailer and just how dangerous out-of-balance loading is. For many years, U-Haul posted a maximum speed of 45MPH on their trailers to limit liability and that was probably a realistic speed for most of them. It was universally ignored and drivers near and far learned to discount the dangers of improper towing.

Finally, trailer construction from a highway and towing safety perspective is woefully under regulated. My now splintered R-Pod was constructed in such a way that the water tank was in the rear of the trailer and filling it up without adding a lot of weight in the front took it out of safety parameters. I was ignorant of that issue and it undoubtedly contributed to my unpleasant and out of control ride to the side of the road after being passed by an 18 wheeler. Fortunately, I was only doing about 50 when the event occurred, so I walked away. I have learned a LOT since that accident. It is unfortunate that it took that event for me to dig deeply into this issue. Only after the fact did I realize that filling the water tank without adding weight to the front of the trailer took it to a conditionally unstable configuration if it did not have a good anti-sway hitch.
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Old 08-12-2015, 04:37 AM   #130
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That's irresponsibly bad trailer design. Period. Water is almost the most important thing to have aboard, just barely behind propane.
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Old 08-12-2015, 10:30 PM   #131
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My first experience pulling a 31' 2006 Classic Reese Straight Line was on Interstate 5 in the California central valley in a cross wind. Big rigs running near the 55 mph speed limit (three axles or more) did not create as much of a bow wake when passing as those miserable two axle straight trucks with a speed limit of of 70. They would give me a good push every time one passed. I learned to watch for them. The longer length of the big rigs seemed to smooth out their bow wake.
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Old 08-13-2015, 03:21 AM   #132
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Straight trucks really are the worst. Even for semis.
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Old 08-13-2015, 06:43 AM   #133
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Yup, Cab forward straight trucks are the worst of the worst.
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Crash while towing down the interstate.

I fear uhauls
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ezairstream: Question... OK you see a straight truck coming and your action is to do what? I tend to slightly push to my left when they are cab to my truck.
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U-Hauls ... I'm a-fear'd... too many have no idea yuk. I LOVE this thread.
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Old 08-13-2015, 10:13 AM   #137
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early in the day.. but I'm making popcorn for this too..
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Old 08-13-2015, 10:29 AM   #138
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ezairstream: Question... OK you see a straight truck coming and your action is to do what? I tend to slightly push to my left when they are cab to my truck.
The only time when they are an issue (ie. felt AT ALL) is when there is a strongish wind to the port bow. When I see them in the mirror, I slide to the right white line. Then I don't feel them. When they catch me by surprise, the whole rig moves slightly right (no sway, just a straight push). I just let the rig drift right a bit till it's gone....no more wheel input needed. PPP is great, Reese SL is almost as good. Others I have personally used, not so good.
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Old 08-13-2015, 12:17 PM   #139
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Crash while towing down the interstate.

Maintain lane center. One needs all the room the lane allows. Moving to the right has consequences.

If anything I move to the left of my lane as more than 90% of drivers will then move to their left. Conversely, a smaller number will move to the right if I first do so. They'll even cross the line as they're used to a certain distance.

I move back to center as they transition from overtaking and are now passing. Know that point in time/distance.

Traffic management. Doesn't matter if I'm in a 78k 18-whlr or my private vehicle, solo or towing.

The goal is to arrive uneventfully having remained upright and lane-centered throughout the drive.
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Old 08-13-2015, 01:23 PM   #140
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To each his own, I guess. I only know what I have experienced relative to other drivers behavior and my own actions and reactions.
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