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Old 03-19-2010, 08:01 AM   #15
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I can handle 1-2 minute cool down times and the remote starters these days makes the warm up time simple. This makes me feel a bit more at ease if I need to make a quick trip here and there.

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Take a look at my review of owning a deezul; http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...tml#post521713
It may answer some of your ?

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I read your thread before BillTex, but it has been awhile. I wil go back through it. Thanks for posting the link.
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Old 03-19-2010, 09:11 AM   #16
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I can't wait to hear what you decide. I would love to see the new truck when you get it.

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I can handle 1-2 minute cool down times and the remote starters these days makes the warm up time simple. This makes me feel a bit more at ease if I need to make a quick trip here and there.



I read your thread before BillTex, but it has been awhile. I wil go back through it. Thanks for posting the link.
Not sure if you can use remote start with diesel (glow plugs?). Modern vehicles warm up so efficiently (gas and diesel) that I really don't see the need to waste any fuel and pollute while idling...heated seats help too!

Good luck. You can't go wrong with either...

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Old 03-19-2010, 12:01 PM   #18
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My GMC diesel starts just fine with the remote, but I almost never use it .. just start it up and drive away. I don't let 'em "warm up" or run the a/c to cool 'em down - it just wastes fuel. Now sometimes when it's below zero out and the truck's had to sit outside and I'm feeling decadent, I will warm it up for a few minutes.

The main piont here is that a 3/4 ton will be a LOT better at towing than a 1/2 ton, due to bigger brakes, generally heavier duty running gear, etc. You probably don't need that difference in Florida. And half tonners are probably better on the trailer due to softer suspensions. I hope you drive both. A half tonner is more like car, a three quarter more like a truck.

But assuming that you're talking 3/4 ton, then the real question is diesel or gas - and only you can answer that. I've had both, and I doubt I'll ever tow anything with a gasser again, but a lot of that is personal preference. I've owned a bunch of diesels over the years, and they are pretty bulletproof. But so are modern gasoline engines. I've got a freind who commutes daily in a 3/4 ton gas pickup, and he's kept the last several for way over 200,000 miles with no serious problems. If you drive both, I think you'll find that the gasser is more like a car, while the diesel seems to have the inevitability of a locomotive.

Do tell all about what you decide and why YOU decided that way!
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although Ford says the new 6.7 is the best yet, compared to others that does not say alot! My 6.4 is good but they never really worked out the bugs before they launched it, I cannot imagine the 6.7 will be without its problems. My dealer says wait at least a year before buying it. There is higher maint. cost involved with a diesel, like $120.00 oil changes, multiple fuel filters and gadgets that need attention. Yes the torque is great when towing, no so when empty. If you accelerate too quickly you will wear out your rear tires in a hurry due to the torque coming into play at about 2500 rpms. Fords are a slug off the line which makes me tend to be heavy footed at take off, than at 2500 rpms when the torque hits it peak its spin time. Your MPG will also suck in the diesel, I get 11.6 empty, 11.6 towing, 11.6 at 20MPH 11.6 at 100 MPH. With a gasser your mileage will be better when not towing. Lastly in my 08 the 6.4 was almost an 8,000 option.
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Always tough on new technology - especially when it involves your drive train!

If you can't wait a year how about something used with some proven drivetrain components (to include engine management, etc.)...
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Old 03-19-2010, 11:26 PM   #21
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Home at last.....without a TV. However, we have made a decision! We have driven every vehicle that interested us (gas and diesel) within a 100 mile radius over the last three weekends. Today's endeavor lasted 12 hours, covered 4 dealerships and crossed 250 miles. It looks to be the most productive outing yet.

I'll have to tell you the results tomorrow so that I don't jinx it and I will post some pics if all goes well.
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Your MPG will also suck in the diesel, I get 11.6 empty, 11.6 towing, 11.6 at 20MPH 11.6 at 100 MPH. With a gasser your mileage will be better when not towing.
Yikes! Must be something wrong with this machine. My truck averages over 20 mpg solo on the highway and about 13.6-13.8 towing ... best trip so far was 15.6 mpg towing, but that was at 65-70, mostly flat country, and was only 500 miles. And mine's not really broken in yet, with only about 25k miles on it. (My last diesel had fuel mileage keep improving until 60k miles, where it's held steady until the current 175k on the odometer and still doing fine.) And I don't drive 100mph, towing or not. But still ...

And on the GMC, torque peaks at 1600 rpm, with horsepower peaking at 3200. At normal towing speeds of 70 or so, the engine is doing about 1700 rpm, so it's near torque peak and doesn't need to downshift for anything other than a BIG hill / mountain pass.

So - do tell us what you decided.
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I have driven diesels for 45 yrs, however I have only had my F350 7.3 SW Longbed Crew for 8 yrs and 80k miles. Im not a GM person but if I were buying today Id look at GM 2500 Duramax Crewcab.They are quiet. I cant atest to the fuel efficency but my 7.3 liter Harvester Gets 14mpg around town NOT TOWING and 20 mpg Highway NOT TOWING.
Average 15 to 17 mpg Towing depending on wind and speeds.
It takes a special touch on the throttle to do that. Warmups and cool downs are not a problem,you cant be in a hurry.I do my own maintenance and filters are a little expensive but you only do it once every 10k miles. Thats 3 normal oil changes on a gasser,do the math.
Its all in ones taste and what you are comfortable with. I kinda grewup(matter of opinion) with diesels,I would not have anything else.
Oh, Our F350 is also our daily driver WE DON'T OWN A CAR.
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Hi David. It was nice talking to you last night. I'm sorry that I couldn't be more help. One thing that I don't think that I mentioned on the phone is the Allison six speed transmission. That's a definite plus.

I am looking forward to hearing what you final decision is.

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Other than cost - there is not a single reason not to go diesel (unless you don't like the particulates spewing out - but that too soon will be a thing of the past and already is for many diesels already on the market or just coming online)...

Diesel is much more efficient than Gas, the new Diesel's are now cleaner emissions than gas (US new models finally catching up to the German models), and the engines usually last longer!

Usually geared for torque - but can also be set up for speed (someone say Audi R10)?

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My suggestion would be the diesel for all the reasons previously stated. See my sig.
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Diesel is much more efficient than Gas, the new Diesel's are now cleaner emissions than gas (US new models finally catching up to the German models), and the engines usually last longer!


Hi, this is all great news, but let me know when thay stop the stink. Driving behind a Diesel nauseating.
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No stink. The diesel particulate filter (DPF) removes the black soot which is what stinks. Now there is a slight bleach like odor when the truck is in regen (automated cleaning of the DPF). Regen occurs about once every tankfull for most, but some driving conditions will cause it to happen more frequently.
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