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Old 02-25-2014, 05:03 PM   #155
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Every car I have had which has seriously overheated has had residual problems of the nature that the other posters have illustrated in this thread. Your dealer replaced the puke tank, cleaned up the mess and claims it is fixed. I think he should have done some things to check further rather than just get you out the door.
Since you continue to have problems you know that your car is a long way away from being fixed.
It is up to the dealer, not you, to diagnose and fix the problem, even if it involves expensive repairs. All you can do at this point is be patient and work through the process and not kick yourself for buying the wrong car. Most of us have been there and done that and share your pain.
I would drive the car minimally. You want it fixed before the warranty runs out even though the warranty should apply regardless of mileage since the problem arose and was brought to the dealers attention during the warranty period.
Get the car fixed and then evaluate whether it is a suitable tow vehicle.
You are towing in tough conditions--100 degree + summer heat and steep climbs. You may be asking a boy to do a man's job and need a vehicle with a tow rating well in excess of the weight of your rig.

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Old 02-25-2014, 05:06 PM   #156
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Thanks for sharing. I had a similar issue with a Honda inspired Rover engine in a car I had in the UK. It was out of warranty and I wasn't in a position to just sell it on after it was fixed; too much hard-earned cash had been spent on the repair. As it happened, I was glad I didn't because I managed to put another 100,000 miles on it before selling it on. The moral of the tale is that a fixed car can sometimes work for you (just trying to cheer you up!)

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Old 02-25-2014, 05:20 PM   #157
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I would really push for them to extended the warranty on the engine and transmission after this. The numbers in that article don't don't add up either. 1300 affected, but up to 500 new issues a week. I'm a Jeep guy and I know a lot of them got burned and went without brand new vehicles for weeks.

Nissan had some problems with some CV transmissions. They recently sent us a notice that the transmission warranty in our Murano would be doubled from 5 year - 60,000 miles to 10 years - 120,000 miles, even though we have never had a problem with it.

As for damage from engine heat, I would bet it's a non issue. These trans run hotter now anyway with the new ATF to improve gas milage. At the very least, have them change the fluid+filter, no charge! Don't give up on it yet.

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Old 02-25-2014, 05:30 PM   #158
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Chrysler has "revised" the new replacement cylinder heads SEVERAL times now...and the problem persists, MUCH more common in the vehicles that run hotter (such as the Jeep Wrangler). As a matter of fact, Chrysler's "fix" in part on such hotter-running vehicles involves a thinner viscosity oil as well as reprogramming the computer for the fans to come on sooner. But, it's all just a stop-gap patch fix, prolonging the inevitable on the Pentastar. The latest heads released (just read the nearly 200 page thread on the Wrangler forum linked above) still don't solve the problem. The exhaust valves fail under excessive workload and heat. The Pentastar has an integrated exhaust manifold in the head itself which is thought to cause the failure. But, so far...Chrysler blames poor gas, "driving habits" (whatever that is), and is replacing heads on an hourly basis...for the last TWO YEARS with no end in sight.

Avoid the Pentastar.
I too have seen some things on the 'net ( so we take it for what it's worth....but still... ) that some are blaming the siamesed exhaust ports for concentrating heat in a small enough area to be causing expansion and warpage issues.
And as we all know, leaning hard on the pedal for extended periods ( towing, anyone ? ) raises exhaust gas temp to higher values than simple low load cruise. Ask anyone who ran a big block Chevy motor in a class A motorhome about cracked exhaust manifolds after long uphill pulls.
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Old 02-25-2014, 05:43 PM   #159
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I wouldn't sell the car just yet.
But, if in the future it continues to have problems, break down often, or become too expensive to maintain, then get rid of it.
We had a Ford Taurus (2 in fact) that had to have head gaskets.
The first one ended up wrecked.
The second one, after head gasket and other expensive repairs it began to average $300 per month in upkeep and was still not dependable. When the air conditioning quit (the car was black with leather seats) and was going to cost at least $1,200 to fix we sold the car.
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Old 02-25-2014, 05:44 PM   #160
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Old 02-25-2014, 05:56 PM   #161
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I don't think anything you did is to blame for this situation - I've seen a 300 tow an Airstream with zero problems, I also know several people who tow with a Grand Caravan. None of them have had any issues to report.

I suspect that the car had issues when it was sold to you, issues that came to light perhaps sooner than they would have otherwise during a tow.
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Old 02-25-2014, 06:10 PM   #162
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Crysler has bet his farm (Canadian joke) on the Pentastar engine and so far, Wards has agreed with them. The Pentastar did not make Wards 2014 list since the others are catching up. That means even though there were some problems with a relatively few engines, the design of the engine in 2012 was considered among the best in the world. You did not buy the wrong car. You bought an exceptionally well engineered vehicle. You should be able to drive any new car sold in America down the street in any weather and have it function perfectly. If it doesn't, the manufacturer is responsible for making it right, and you are not responsible for diagnosing anything for him. Stuff happens. Let them fix it. Go camping. Take your cell phone. Jim
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Or, get rid of it and get a reliable vehicle that isn't known for needing heads replaced right out the gate and STOP WORRYING and go out and have fun actually camping rather than watching the temperature gauge every damn second of every trip, waiting for something to break.

It sucks to have your few days of vacation RUINED by a devastating vehicle breakdown...ESPECIALLY if you knew beforehand that such a breakdown was more than likely.

Get rid of the stress, cut your losses, and get a vehicle for which pulling your amount of trailer is not going to put it at increased risk of imminent failure when your ultimate goal is for you and your family to go and have FUN...not to sit in some dealer's service waiting area in a state 1000 miles away when you know you have to be back at work in a few days.

It's just not worth it.
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:15 PM   #164
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So, I guess with all these comments, we can pretty much sum up. You should:

a: sell it
b: keep it.

Why do you suppose this issue w/ the Pentastar seems more prevalent in jeeps? Maybe their brick-like profile make the motor work harder(?).
I'm on the jeep forum some, myself, and I never heard of this...but that's probably because I'm only looking at TJ stuff.
fwiw, when I picked up my TJ from the PO's house a few months ago and drove it home, it overheated. Granted, it was 70 degrees, and I was driving down the interstate with a snow plow mounted, but its not like it was "hot" out. anyway...different engine entirely...different story for a different thread. But even older jeeps seem to run hot, for some reason.
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:29 PM   #165
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Does anyone know....If they give me a new engine, will they give me a new 36000 mile warranty?
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:36 PM   #166
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Does anyone know....If they give me a new engine, will they give me a new 36000 mile warranty?
Don't think so. However, once there is a history of a problem such as overheating, they will normally honor the warranty for that problem longer than the normal warranty.

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Old 02-25-2014, 07:53 PM   #167
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Does anyone know....If they give me a new engine, will they give me a new 36000 mile warranty?
I don't have a clue, but I believe that somebody following this thread will have an answer or know how to get one. You could always ask the Service Manager what is Chrysler's policy on extending the warranty in this situation. I would also deal only with the SM, not the service writer.

Personally, I would keep the car. You have done all your homework diligently and determined that this is the TV for you. Figuring that about 1% of these motors have overheating problems, especially if you get a new motor, which I would lobby for, you should not have any more overheating issues. The car and motor should perform just as expected for the other 99% of the owners.

Only you can decide what is best for you.

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Old 02-25-2014, 08:11 PM   #168
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I have no doubt that you will do the right thing for you.

If you take some time, let your head clear, and drive the car a bit again, the answer will come to you, and you will know it is right.

This is one of those times my old daddy would say, "In a hundred years, we'll all look back on this and laugh."

If it's to be, it's up to me.
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