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Old 02-24-2014, 08:42 AM   #127
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It's tricky to diagnose cooling systems in person and pretty much impossible over the internet.

It is common for heads to warp when a coolant leak leads to a loss of coolant, leading to head gasket leaks. The problem doesn't always show up right away when this happens.

As others have pointed out, head gasket problems are difficult to diagnose especially in the early stages. Sometimes the combustion-gas tests will work, but not always. I recently found a head gasket leak by leaving a cooling system pressure tester in place overnight -- one of the cylinders was full of coolant in the morning.

No easy answers for fighting the warranty/service/dealer fight. Keep it up, good luck, sorry for your pain on that.

As a public service, I would like to point out that an F-350 with an inoperative cooling system does not tow any better than a Chrysler 300 with an inoperative cooling system.
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Yes but a 350 looks a lot more impressive being towed. Jim
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Old 02-24-2014, 09:12 AM   #129
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As a public service, I would like to point out that an F-350 with an inoperative cooling system does not tow any better than a Chrysler 300 with an inoperative cooling system.
I'm not "up to snuff" on all things Ford, but I also don't think you can find an engine in an F-350 with aluminum heads.
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SteveH is it your experience then that cast iron heads never warp or crack?
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Again I ask if you obtained all warranty work documentation for this vehicle before you bought it. This should be available from your dealer no matter where the work was done. This could give you an idea of why the car was traded in or at least what was done to it. Jim
No. I didn't know that was even available. I'll see if I can check with the dealer I bought it from.
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Well, I was second in line this morning. I got the service manager and had a long conversation about this. I had prepared a written description of all the heating issues. He stapled one copy to the service order, and I taped another to the dashboard for the mechanic, just in case.

So, we'll see.

As to the Pentastar engine. I dunno. I'll look into that. But again, the available data, which consists of the many Pentastars that CanAm have used for TVs doesn't indicate lots of failures. I might be relying too much on that, but it is real data.
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mstephens,

Care to share the full make model engine and year of your car? I might have missed it in all the info.

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Care to share the full make model engine and year of your car? I might have missed it in all the info.

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SteveH is it your experience then that cast iron heads never warp or crack?
It is my experience they warp and crack less frequently than cast aluminum..

As an example of the difference in strength of materials, GM has a 6.2L all aluminum engine, but they won't put it in the 3/4 ton trucks, they will only put the 6.0L in the 3/4 ton trucks because it has a cast iron block.
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I just tried to look for any TSB's in Mitchell, I didn't have any luck.
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It is my experience they warp and crack less frequently than cast aluminum..

As an example of the difference in strength of materials, GM has a 6.2L all aluminum engine, but they won't put it in the 3/4 ton trucks, they will only put the 6.0L in the 3/4 ton trucks because it has a cast iron block.
Ford Super Duty diesels have compacted graphite iron blocks with aluminum heads. By the way, I suspect that most of the diesel engines are using the compacted graphite iron these days for the blocks.
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It is my experience they warp and crack less frequently than cast aluminum..

As an example of the difference in strength of materials, GM has a 6.2L all aluminum engine, but they won't put it in the 3/4 ton trucks, they will only put the 6.0L in the 3/4 ton trucks because it has a cast iron block.
I generally agree with Steve, although there have been some great advances in cast aluminum technologies (spelled $$$$$, though).

There is also a consideration for the structural rigidity of iron alloys over aluminum. It is anticipated that a 2500, 6.0L will see a different high torque duty cycle than a 1500 6.2L. I'm not talking about the occasional smooth, pedal to the floor, on an on ramp pulling an AS. But rather the gut wrenching repeated high torque of a loaded truck pulling a backhoe on an off road construction site.

For us here, I would LOVE to see a spec derated 2500 with a 6.2L designed solely for highway recreational towing....or a 6.2L Max Tow with about 600 more pounds of rear axle capacity.

But I'm a dreamer.
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Ford Super Duty diesels have compacted graphite iron blocks with aluminum heads. By the way, I suspect that most of the diesel engines are using the compacted graphite iron these days for the blocks.
....yeah....and they don't like it when you overheat them either !

....ask my buddy Jason about that......scratch one powerstroke......
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As to the Pentastar engine. I dunno. I'll look into that. But again, the available data, which consists of the many Pentastars that CanAm have used for TVs doesn't indicate lots of failures. I might be relying too much on that, but it is real data.
I have one thought. Statistically, all of Can-Am's customers make up such a small percentage of the total number of this type of engine that using their reported incidence of failure is almost meaningless. Certainly it would be nice to know but I believe it can not be the sole data source.

I question too whether every failure of a Can-Am Chrysler 300 cylinder head would necessarily be public knowledge.

I have no knowledge of Chrysler 3.6 liter cylinder head issues but that doesn't mean much of anything. It will be interesting to see what the dealer finds...

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