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Old 03-06-2011, 07:44 PM   #113
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See - everyone has their likes & dislikes - for me the Ford looks much better than that boring a$$ Chevy - I mean GMC grill....

More impressive - show the dated GMC Denali interior against the King Ranch...

And before anyone "flames" on me - I am saying this all "tongue in cheek"...

As I've said many times over the past few months - one could not choose a better time to be in the market for a Super Duty \ Heavy Duty truck (Hey Cummings - can you update your engine and get Ram to the party please)?
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Old 03-06-2011, 08:23 PM   #114
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I will be ordering a Work Truck trim level so that I can get the vinyl bench seat interior with rubber floor covering (no carpet).
I didn't want leather, either, but found a deal and really like it for durability and comfort. The carpets are a pita to clean but high-quality mats cover them. I'd recommend getting back to the 3/4-ton if leather and carpet are the only reasons you're going to the 1-ton truck. Best wishes, John
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John, I'm going to need the one ton to handle the truck camper and the Airstream at the same time. We tow the Airstream now with a pair of Suburban LT's. The leather and carpet are problematic for the rough use we give them. We would do much better with vinyl and rubber floors.

Bill, we have included the trailer wiring on our list. We know that it will be helpful with the TC. The high idle feature shows as a switch on the options list. I have no idea how it is activated. The snow plow package comes with a heavy duty front axle, a special front bumper, and wiring to the front grill. This would be handy to install a winch. The roof marker lights are just something that I have to have after the Quadrasteer Suburbans. The W/T doesn't come with On-star.

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Old 03-07-2011, 07:13 AM   #116
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The leather and carpet are problematic for the rough use we give them. We would do much better with vinyl and rubber floors.

Bill, we have included the trailer wiring on our list. We know that it will be helpful with the TC. The high idle feature shows as a switch on the options list. I have no idea how it is activated. The snow plow package comes with a heavy duty front axle, a special front bumper, and wiring to the front grill. This would be handy to install a winch. The roof marker lights are just something that I have to have after the Quadrasteer Suburbans. The W/T doesn't come with On-star.

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Brian;OK...all good stuff. I hear you about the interior...trying to keep carpets clean is a PIA...we use those heavy duty Weathertech mats...they help...
Good idea on the low pkg.
I'll let you know if I think of any more TC related goodies you may want to check off.
When do you got to CO to look at the others?
When do you order the truck?

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p.s. Isn't this a Chevy/GM thread?
I thought forum rules said you had to be 18 to post?
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Brian;OK...all good stuff. I hear you about the interior...trying to keep carpets clean is a PIA...we use those heavy duty Weathertech mats...they help...
Good idea on the low pkg.
I'll let you know if I think of any more TC related goodies you may want to check off.
When do you got to CO to look at the others?
When do you order the truck?

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Good Morning, Bill,

Thanx for the response. We are planning to head out to Colorado with Lucy around the first week in May. After doing our TC shopping there, we plan to make a decision pretty quickly. If we end up ordering an Outfitter, it will take about six months to get it. That will allow us plenty of time to shop around and special order the Duramax. We may be able to hold off long enough to order a 2012 model. I have not yet researched the cut-off date for ordering 2011's.

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Speaking of the cut-off date for ordering a 2011 Duramax, does anyone know when that is or how to find out? If it's close time-wise, I guess that I would want to wait and get a 2012.

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Does the WT come with ON-STAR? I buy a month worth of air-time when we are heading to remote locals where there is no cell coverage...it's less expensive than sat-phones.
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I'm not sure how much OnStar buys you if you don't have cell coverage. I guess the big advantage would be if your cell provider is AT&T or T-Mo or one of the pre-paids, because OnStar uses Verizon's CDMA network for all the voice and data communication, and satellite just for the GPS location. It may have a stronger transmitter, being built-in rather than hand-held, so that could get you a bit more range at least.
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Speaking of the cut-off date for ordering a 2011 Duramax, does anyone know when that is or how to find out? If it's close time-wise, I guess that I would want to wait and get a 2012.

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Brian, GM just rolled out this latest platform; don’t expect much in changes 11-12. I would focus more on getting a good buy on an EOMY 11, this usually starts around July, with inventory (and selection) decreasing as the new model year starts to roll in around Sep/Oct.
The description you gave of the options you want/don’t want sounds like a special order? Maybe not…
If so, model year won’t make much difference.
Have you found many WT 1 ton SRW’s in stock?

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I'm not sure how much OnStar buys you if you don't have cell coverage. I guess the big advantage would be if your cell provider is AT&T or T-Mo or one of the pre-paids, because OnStar uses Verizon's CDMA network for all the voice and data communication, and satellite just for the GPS location. It may have a stronger transmitter, being built-in rather than hand-held, so that could get you a bit more range at least.
The emergency service is sat based...

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Bill, I realize that there probably won't be much change in the 2012 Chevy truck. I just thought that, everything else being equal, I might as well have the new model year. Being that I will most likely have to special order this truck, I won't be getting any close-out deal.

I have checked inventory of 3500 W/T Duramax SRW 4x4 crew cab long beds. Almost all out there are white and minimally optioned. Most are not 4x4, only a couple had tinted glass, and none were victory red in color.

I intend to keep looking until we special order the truck. I guess there is a chance that one will turn up, but I'm not holding my breath, especially since color is a deal breaker.

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Per OnStar on their page about emergency service:

"OnStar services require vehicle electrical system (including battery), wireless service and GPS satellite signals to be available and operating for features to function properly."

I thought the "wireless service" probably meant cellular service but I called to verify. The indication the person who answered my call gave was that it needed some cellular signal to operate.

On their OnStar Technology page they say it uses GPS and cellular technology, nothing about satellite communications.
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Global Position System= a satellite-based navigation system made up of a network of 24 satellites placed into orbit by the U.S. Department of Defense. GPS works in any weather conditions, anywhere in the world, 24 hours a day...yada yada...
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Global Position System= a satellite-based navigation system made up of a network of 24 satellites placed into orbit by the U.S. Department of Defense. GPS works in any weather conditions, anywhere in the world, 24 hours a day...yada yada...
Yes, that's right as far as it goes. And a GPS signal will let a device on the ground calculate where it is. However, GPS is a 1-way technology. The satellites are sending out time-coded signals and a GPS receiver uses those signals to calculate its coordinates on the planet. That's why they are called GPS receivers, not GPS transceivers.

There ARE devices like Personal Locator Beacons and marine EPIRBs that send 406 MHz signals that can be picked up by a set of satellites that are NOT part of the GPS network and are not proprietary, they're used for international satellite search-and-rescue. To my knowledge OnStar doesn't use this system, though I would consider it a big value-add if they did.
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Yes, and in an emergency, when you push the on-star emergency button and it sends a signal via satellite, they will send help. SPOT and EPIRB work the same; they are not (yet) transceivers. I have not yet popped for a spot, but the Delorme/SPOT gadget sure is tempting…

Thank you for helping to clarify my point for those that may not have understood (maybe I should not have said “air time” when referencing on-star emergency service…this may have been misconstrued as meaning cell service?); if you are ordering a GM vehicle I would consider On-Star (it used to come standard for 1 year anyway) as a good way to summon help in the vent of an emergency where there is no cell coverage.

Fortunately, we have never needed it, consequently, we have never tested any of the above…but for ~ $20 (you can buy 1 month at a time, which is what we do based on our travel plans) it makes me feel a little better about taking my Family into some very remote areas where there is no cell coverage, and it could take hours to reach a pay phone or other civilization. We are self sufficient when we travel, but…that is why they are called “emergencies”.
OK…we are far enough off-topic now! Well perhaps this is somewhat GM truck related...

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