As our young family is growing we are looking at purchasing a minivan. From what I could find out on the internet the Chevy Astro/GMC Safari has the highest tow capabilities a little over 5000lbs. After the purchase of a vehicle, we will be in the market for an early 60s A/S under 24 feet. Has anyone used or seen this combo?
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You might want to keep your Airstream choice in the under 22' range with that model of tow vehicle. I pulled a 20' boat with that engine and it really taxed it. Globetrotter or Safari would be the max I would tow and that would be pushing things a lot. Also get a good Equalizing Hitch. You will need it with the Astro' short wheelbase and short rear overhang.
Try to find one with the factory tow package.
Take your time and choose carefully. A 60's model could require a lot of work to get it into shape.
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For longevity of the tow vehicle and satisfaction of the driver, it is a very common rule of thumb to not tow more thn 75% of the tow rating. That would mean you would be looking for a A/S with a loaded weight of not over 3750#. In other words, you would be looking for a small and older Airstream to meet this criteria.
My previous trailer was a TrailManor. Astro vans are very popular for towing the smaller TrailManor models that gross out around 4000# and usually are lighter since they have a high useful load. None of my friends that I have spoken to would advise using Astros to tow the larger models that gross out at near 5000#. The usual sentiment was that the Astro is only sufficient for the smaller models. Several of my friends wanted to upgrade their trailers, but didn't because it would require a new tow vehicle.
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My father has a trailer tow equipped Chevrolet S10 Blazer with a similar drivetrain configuration to the Safari that you propose. I would be hesitant to recommend towing much more than my Argosy Minuet with the vehicle - - it too has a trailer tow rating of 5.000 pounds. The Minuet is 19' 3" with a GVWR of 3,500 pounds.
The one thing that you will want to remember with this setup is that the trailer tow rating is reduced by the weight of the gear and passengers carried in the tow vehicle - - this is where the GCVWR (Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating) comes into play. You will want to insure that you do not exceed this number between the loaded weight of your trailer combined with the loaded weight of the tow vehicle. Another issue to consider is whether there is a recommendation for towing with the vehicle based upon frontal area of the trailer - - in some cases the maximum trailer tow rating assumes a low profile fold-down and the maximum is reduced with larger frontal areas.
I will admit to being overly cautious with tow vehicles as I had a very unpleasant experience with my second tow vehicle which was special ordered with the trailer towing package, but couldn't safely tow even half of its rated towing maximum - - it was one of the early mid-size Pontiac Bonnevilles with a 4.1 V6 and 3.23 gearing and 4,000 pound trailer tow rating.
Good luck with your decision.
Kevin
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1978 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre/1975 Cadillac Eldorado Convertible (8.2 Liter V8/2.70 Final Drive)
We have a 93 Chev Astro with tow package and Draw Rite equiziler hitch to pull our 26 ft 1975 Argosy. On the flats its's fine, as well as the gentile grades. It gets the trailer from our campsite to home and back fine. However, we did take a vacation with it pulling our approx 3500 lbs boat and trailer. Pulled great on the grades(60-70 no prob), but in the hills of Orcas Island, I longed for more torque and brakes (trailer is braked, hills were STEEP 15 mph hills). I wouldn't take our trailer on the same trip. I know the delimma, I want a pull vehicle with minimal size (mighty might). We pull the trailer unloaded (minimal fluid in the tanks, family of four with two children that weigh approx 110 together). If I got a Astro, I'd get one with the 4.11 gears + tow package. We also have wider tires on it (245/60/15) that are a bit smaller in diameter then skock. We're looking for a bigger car, if that gives you any idea. Stability is not a problem, just guts.
Marc
I was looking at a new one although I think that the older ones maybe rated for more weight. This would be a family car so it would get lots of daily use too.
With nearly a half million miles in either an Astro or Safari I am one of their greatest fans. Way more room than a Suburban, 20 mpg., and it will fit is any garage! Both of mine had the bench seats as I found that one full length bench seat per child was about the right ratio on longer trips.
They are the only minivan with any serious towing asperations. Having said that, there is just not enough wheelbase to pull a 24' trailer unless you used a Pullrite or Hensley hitch - and maybe not then either. I have not driven any of the really late models, and I know they have increased the horsepower on the amazing 4.3 engine, but it is hard for me to imagine that it has enough torque for anything like 5,000 pounds.
Originally posted by overlander64 Greetings Kelly!
Welcome to the forum!
My father has a trailer tow equipped Chevrolet S10 Blazer with a similar drivetrain configuration to the Safari that you propose. I would be hesitant to recommend towing much more than my Argosy Minuet with the vehicle - - it too has a trailer tow rating of 5.000 pounds. The Minuet is 19' 3" with a GVWR of 3,500 pounds.
Kevin
Kevin, I Agree. My brother in law wanted me to buy his S10 based GMC Envoy. A close look at this vehicle revealed a short wheelbase, narrow track, high centre of gravity, and SUV type suspension. None of these characteristics are complimentry to an ideal tow vehicle. Another case of a misleading factory tow rating.
This again brings the up the point that one needs to properly evaluate the total character of any potential tow vehicle and not just look at the FTR, hook up a trailer that fits the rating, and head out on the highway.
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I forgot to mention that despite rear end oil changes, mine sounds like a turbine - I think it's about to go. The newer ones (2003) have a bigger axle with 16" wheels - I believe they're Express based, so durability should be better. I've read that the Astro diffs are prone to failure.....I'll keep driving for awhile, but a dealer visit is coming soon I believe. I'm intrigued by the new Nissan Quest (much longer wheelbase, stronger engine, etc), but again, I don't think it will be strong enough for our 26footer. Unless I can get some of that Canadian gas................
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The newer ones (2003) have a bigger axle with 16" wheels - I believe they're Express based, so durability should be better. I've read that the Astro diffs are prone to failure.....I'll keep driving for awhile, but a dealer visit is coming soon I believe. I'm intrigued by the new Nissan Quest (much longer wheelbase, stronger engine, etc), but again, I don't think it will be strong enough for our 26footer. Unless I can get some of that Canadian gas................
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