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Old 01-26-2010, 03:02 PM   #1
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Chevi Cargo Van v6 & 1970 23" Safari

Hi there we just get a 1970 23" safari and we are new in this but we have a Chevi cargo van 1500 v6 3/4 ton
You think this combo is safe to drive or we are pushing the cargo van ore our luck? I plan to drive family on it so safety is first
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Old 01-26-2010, 03:24 PM   #2
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The next question everyone is going to ask is what sort of hitch and sway control are you planning to use?
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Old 01-26-2010, 04:56 PM   #3
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Well the hitch is one that we install like year in U-hal I don't know the brand I think is a u-haul hitch for sway the AS, came with what I think is a old version of the reesse dual-cam I'm not that sure, looks like that one, or similar do not have a brand
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Could you maybe post a picture of the hitch? Then folks could help you identify it. It sounds to me like you've got a good set up started, the van should be a nice long wheelbase for stability, but I don't know what the V6 is rated to tow. Do you know if it has a trans cooler, or anything like that? It's important to have a properly rated hitch and a sway control of some sort.
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Hi Stephanie well i think i found that the sway control is a old reese and the hitch is rated fo 5000 an 500 tong i think here ar some pic





The van has a 4300 trailer weight & max 5900
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Moncho,

It is my opinion you will want to at least replace that hitch head with a later model that is adjustable because that weld-together old one is most likely not at the right height for your vehicle.

After that, and the hitch is adjusted properly, you should be fine as far as safety is concerned. Now, if the van is capable of towing the trailer is another issue. It will do it for sure, but will it stay together, and will you be satisfied with the towing performance, are other questions. At a minimum, I would make sure the van has a good transmission cooler installed, and a good brake controller installed.
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Steve,

You are pressing your luck with the 1500 series van. IF it were a V-8 engine and perhaps a 3/4 ton frame I would say MAYBE, providing it was in good mechanical condition. The 4300 series engine is just NOT hauling material as for as I am concerned. Everything becomes a compromise with these packages. You have to always watch the engine heat, the transmission heat, and the large frontal cross section of the trailer with the large "gap" between the tow vehicle and the trailer causes wind turbulence at higher speeds that put an even greater strain on the little engine.

If you will note the large over the road truck format, they use a large "batwing" or cowl above the truck cab matching the trailer box configuration. This is specifically designed to reduce the amount of wind turbulence caused by the gap between the truck and the trailer. With the shroud, HP requirements are considerably reduced and fuel savings of 6-9% are not unreasonable.

The truck and its intended load rating is just too small for your intended purposes. I do not have the specs with me right now but I would guesstimate that the GVWR (gross vehicle weight rating) of your van would be in the 5500lb range or less. This is the ENGINEERED total weight that the vehicle was designed to carry. This 1/2 ton frame SPECIFICALLY does not have a GCVWR (gross combined vehicle weight rating). This "COMBINED" rating is given to those vehicles specifically designed to TOW another vehicle. In the absence of this rating you are limited to the GVW rating of the vehicle. You can find YOUR vehicle weight rating on the drivers door jam next to the VIN. It will say GVW XXXX.

If you can, get a 1 Ton pickup truck (GVW ratings of 8501 or better) or a 3/4 Ton SUV with a HIGH stated GVWR (look on the door jamb to confirm weight rating) you would be mush better off and safer too.

When pulling a large load you need not only good power to pull, you need good foundation brakes to stop and a large frame to support that load. Hooking a large format hitch to a small format truck does NOT increase the load carrying capacity of the truck.

For your further reference define:GVWR - Google Search

HowStuffWorks "GVWR: Lots More Information"
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For the 23' trailer, the 1500 series (that's 1/2 ton, BTW, 2500 is 3/4 ton) would be more than ample. The weak link in your setup is the engine. I towed a smaller, lighter Airstream with an Astro van with the 4.3 engine. It was adequate around Florida, but you will have trouble getting up the side of the of the mountains in California with it.
Since you already have the van and everything to tow the trailer with, you can give it a try. I didn't read all the responses, but do you have a brake controller in the van? I did notice you didn't have the retaining pin for the hitch head in the receiver, that would be bad news if you forgot it.
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Chevi Cargo Van v6 & 1970 23" Safari

Greetings moncho!

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Hi there we just get a 1970 23" safari and we are new in this but we have a Chevi cargo van 1500 v6 3/4 ton
You think this combo is safe to drive or we are pushing the cargo van ore our luck? I plan to drive family on it so safety is first
My concern with your rig would be the 4.3 Liter V6. I suspect that the empty weight of your 1970 Safari will be very near and possibly above the trailer tow rating of your van. Depending upon model, your 1970 Safari started out with an empty/dry weight of between 3,460 and 3,850 pounds -- and this is before any fluids, options, or personal possessions have been added. Taking the 2004 Chevrolet C1500 Panel Van, it was rated to tow between 4,000 and 4,400 pounds depending upon how it was equipped.

With both vehicles essentially empty, you may be within the capabilities of your van, but with any load at all you will likely quickly exceed the recommended maximums for your vehicle. I had a Blazer with the 4.3 Liter V6 and towed my 3,000 pound Minuet, and the motor was very highly stressed and ran close to the top of the acceptable range for coolant temperatures even with heavy duty trans cooler -- this was with a 5,000 pound factory installed towing package that included 3.23 differentials. I only utilized the Blazer as an emergency backup when my other tow vehicles were not available, so I don't know what towing might do for longevity

Good luck with your investigation!

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