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Old 09-29-2013, 01:20 PM   #127
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There may be some situations where a gas or flex engine may not have the power, such as the passes in the Rockies over 11,000 feet....
Modern gas engines can do it easily. Our '07 Tundra has easily climbed the 11,000' passes many times. Diesel is no longer the only option for towing a heavy trailer.

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Old 09-29-2013, 01:43 PM   #128
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For sure, some of the newer gas engines may do well in towing....but, the diesel with the torque is my preference.

As to the Cayenne Turbo downshifting, I probably did not know what I was doing and indeed should have just left it in fifth gear instead of fully automatic.

One advantage of the diesel is the use of an exhaust brake, which IMO, is better than the compression of a gas engine. However, if one is looking at the best bang for the buck, I have considered the new Dodge with a big Hemi gas engine.

And, while I am at it...what is the fuel mileage when towing with a gas engine...at say 65 mph? I would like to know if the day comes I purchase a new Dodge, should i spend the extra for the Cummins or is the Big Hemi the way to go...?

Another question is whether one can get a mega cab 4 x 4 with a gas engine?
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Old 09-29-2013, 01:52 PM   #129
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We use a 2012 Ram Hemi and have no power problems. Yes, drop down a gear if shifting to much, the new Hemi's have eight gears to pick from, you'll always have one just right. They're not bad on gas either; comparing diesel to gas mpg you must consider the higher cost of diesel fuel to be meaningful.
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Old 09-29-2013, 02:36 PM   #130
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Our towing mileage ranges from 10.5 to 11.5, but varies with terrain and wind—a good 40 mph tailwind can get it close to 14 mpg, but you just can't count on that. It seems to make little or no difference what the altitude is. As for torque, 401 lbs. is plenty.

If you consider a diesel, the original cost plus maintenance vs gas engine cost + maintenance has to be figured in. Both are higher for diesel and if you want to keep it for a very long time, eventually fuel costs will even out and diesel will be better overall after more time. But the truck will need other things fixed after a few hundred thousand miles and I will be driving a new truck before then.

I do get tired of looking at the same truck after 8 or 10 years, and find any vehicle tends to start looking shabby from ordinary wear and tear after 6 or 7 years and 100,000+ miles. I could get it fixed up, but that is another cost unless I get it painted with spray cans and a broom. And in 8 or 10 years gas engines should be much more efficient and fuel costs will be much lower than now for gas engines (unless fuel goes way up in price, but diesel will go up too). An electric hybrid truck would have lots and lots of torque, no transmission thus less cost, but so far no one is really focusing on that. Turbos and superchargers boost mileage for gas engines, but don't help enough yet.

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Old 10-01-2013, 06:49 PM   #131
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I've narrowed my selection down to two different Flexes.

Flex A: Used 2012 Limited Ecoboost, AWD, 11,000 miles, 17 months left on factory warranty, requires 800 miles travel to buy because of the price

Flex B: New 2012 Limited, NO EB, FWD, 3/36 factory warranty - no travel. Costs $2k more than the used one.

Is EB/AWD worth traveling to get and losing half the factory warranty, or would you go for new with full warranty and skip the EB?

If the EB model is $2k less, is the answer obvious?

Three out of four trips, we will be towing in the mountains.

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Is the AWD an advantage over simply FWD? For me, having towed in a blizzard, AWD is an essential aspect of a tow vehicle.
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:31 PM   #133
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I'd go with the AWD. We have a 2012 natural aspirated AWD Flex, and it pulls our 66 Safari just fine. That said we are not mountain bound and I do have my own thoughts as to it's capability to pull there. Some dAY WE'LL FIND OUT!
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I'd go with the AWD as well, especially if you're planning on using State Parks.

The one thing I am sometimes worried about with our TV is grip on slippery surfaces and sand - not on the highway, at the campground. The Provincial Parks can be tricky at times.
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Alrighty, then, sounds like Ecoboost with AWD.

Thanks, everyone!
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Hi Dia

I think you could use either one but the AWD EB is a really nice package and those are pretty low miles. For the $2000.00 you could likely put an exteneded warranty on it. I would make sure you get a Ford Extended Warranty as opposed to an aftermarket one. You can buy the warranty from your local Ford dealer which is a good idea as they will be the ones to service it.

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That's a really good idea. We bought a three year nose to tail everything coverered warrantee from Honda when we bought our Odyssey. It cost $1500.
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The two options are not apples and apples.

It is generally thought rear or 4wd is better for towing because the drive wheels are closer to the trailer. I can't explain it, but it seems to make sense. AWD is different than 4wd. Usually AWD is fulltime and either the front or rear wheels get more power than the other axle. Something that may be worth finding out. Another factor is that used cars are selling closer to new prices—this is because of the drop in sales of new cars from 2008 on and that means fewer used cars are available and demand for them has driven up prices. The third factor of difference is EB vs. I'm not sure what. the EB will have more torque which is good for towing.

You didn't mention whether you are trading your present vehicle—that could affect final putcomes depending which dealing will give you more for your trade in—that will probably affect sales tax and could mean difference in final price of $500 or more, maybe much more depending on the trade in vehicle.

I wouldn't let the 800 mile round trip matter—it is a small matter unless the difference between choices is negligible.

If I had to choose between the 2, I'd choose #1, but I'd have looked further first.

Never worry about a deal you may lose if you have to make a selection before you are sure it is the right thing for you. This is very hard to do because you can't predict the future, but it can be hard to live with a decision you weren't sure of from the outset. You are smart to ask here so you can consider all options.

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It is generally thought rear or 4wd is better for towing because the drive wheels are closer to the trailer. I can't explain it, but it seems to make sense.

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I always thought FWD was better for towing because the "pull" was from the front of the train. The weight (resistance) behind acts in a way to keep the lot in a straight line.

Note: My personal theory and I could be wrong....LOL
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I always thought FWD was better for towing because the "pull" was from the front of the train. The weight (resistance) behind acts in a way to keep the lot in a straight line.

Note: My personal theory and I could be wrong....LOL
On a level road, it shouldn't matter. However, in slippery conditions or at weird angles, the tongue weight at the rear may tend to unweight the drive axle on a FWD vehicle.
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