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Old 10-15-2013, 12:49 PM   #71
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I had the Tundra before I had the trailer-
When I bought the truck I picked out exactly what I wanted.
The Tundra costs more than a diesel- no!
16 mpg is about as good as it gets for the Tundra.
I don't like how diesels sound or smell.
The fuel is more.
The oil changes are more.
To each his own.
Everyone has a reason for and the right to own whatever they want to spend their money on.
I am at a rally now with the only Tundra and the only Airstream.
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Old 10-15-2013, 02:47 PM   #72
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If you trade every 3 years or so a F350 or F250 Turbo diesel cost of ownership is about the same as a 1/2 ton(depreciation and upkeep)
There is no diesel smell
Oil changes are $89 at the Ford dealership
When driving a diesel the new ones are as quiet as a gas engine
I drive mine like a car everyday it rides great.
I can take things with me without any worry of going over my payload capacity.A 8 foot box with a crew cab is not available in a 1/2 ton. I can take a Harley or a 2up 4wheeler with me (those little 5.5 or 6.5 boxes don't do it for me)
With 400 horsepower and 800foot lbs of torque I get 20-22 mpg Hwy and 13-16mpg stop and go city.
I have had many 1/2 tons including Toyotas,Fords,Chevys but for what I do when traveling with my Airstream I will never go back to a 1/2 ton.

As you say to each his own.
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If you trade every 3 years or so a F350 or F250 Turbo diesel cost of ownership is about the same as a 1/2 ton(depreciation and upkeep) There is no diesel smell Oil changes are $89 at the Ford dealership When driving a diesel the new ones are as quiet as a gas engine I drive mine like a car everyday it rides great. I can take things with me without any worry of going over my payload capacity.A 8 foot box with a crew cab is not available in a 1/2 ton. I can take a Harley or a 2up 4wheeler with me (those little 5.5 or 6.5 boxes don't do it for me) With 400 horsepower and 800foot lbs of torque I get 20-22 mpg Hwy and 13-16mpg stop and go city. I have had many 1/2 tons including Toyotas,Fords,Chevys but for what I do when traveling with my Airstream I will never go back to a 1/2 ton. As you say to each his own.
OMG! Trading every 3 years!! That's real COSTLY "ownership" -- essentially giving new vehicles away. Yes, To each his own. I'm SURE Ford investors just love that concept. Upside- down on every trade-in.
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Old 10-15-2013, 04:24 PM   #74
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We have an '08 Tundra 4 x 4. We have put on 25000 miles on it just within the past 2 years, pulling a 30 ft. Classic. Last weight was 15360 truck and trailer at the DOT of Florida.

We have traveled many mountains on the west coast and had no problems climbing and coming down. Flat driving is about 14 mpg. Mountains are less.

Just bought a 2013 Tundra double cab 2 x 4. We wouldn't consider buying another truck, judging from our experience.
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Old 10-15-2013, 04:41 PM   #75
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It appears to me it has been pretty well established that the Tundra can do the job, and is for many people. While I personally believe in severe overkill in the TV department, my needs/wants are much different than the person who uses their truck as as a daily drive or family vehicle in the city.
This is one more area where there is no one right way to get the job done .
As long as it is safely done that is the main thing and I have not seen the Median strip full of wrecked Tundras (or other 1/2 ton trucks) and 34 foot trailers.
If it works for you and doesn't endanger me that is good enough.
The thread seems to be becoming some what heated and personal and maybe we should all take a deep breath.
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Old 10-15-2013, 06:03 PM   #76
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OMG! Trading every 3 years!! That's real COSTLY "ownership" -- essentially giving new vehicles away. Yes, To each his own. I'm SURE Ford investors just love that concept. Upside- down on every trade-in.
My last trade in depreciation was $6100 for 2.5 years usage and 39000 miles.Plus the tax write offs for business usage .But I take meticulous care of my vehicles,I get the right options and color combinations for resale.
My trade in trucks are cleaner then the new ones I purchase.

I like people who think the way you do though as most when it comes time buy a different vehicle they never look at new ones so they end up paying more for a clean used one (and do not catch on).
And by the way I have never been upside down in a trade in.
Just sayin!!
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Old 10-15-2013, 07:25 PM   #77
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I just got introduced to the very best way to buy a car - a personal broker.

We wanted to buy a van for our business, specifically a Grand Caravan with Stow and Go seating. We briefed the broker, she came back with three different options, we chose one and today we picked up a 2012 GC at the dealership with less than 25k on the clock for 8k less than new. All the paperwork was ready and waiting for us, everything was prepared.

The woman offering the broker services used to be a fleet buyer before starting her own business. The dealers love her because she knows the rules, knows the profit margins, knows what deal she can reasonably demand and, most importantly, she moves a lot of cars. As a result, she gets deals that are almost impossible to secure for the average car buyer without doing a lot of research.

This was a business purchase, but I'll be buying all my cars with her from now on. The entire buying process took about 30 minutes of my time and I believe we got an excellent deal.
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Old 10-15-2013, 08:25 PM   #78
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The way we buy is changing.
I found my 13 Dodge Cummins on the internet at what I felt was the right price. After a couple e mails and phone calls it was delivered to my driveway. Very little time invested. Never had to set foot on a dealer lot.
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Old 10-16-2013, 08:33 AM   #79
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If you trade every 3 years or so a F350 or F250 Turbo diesel cost of ownership is about the same as a 1/2 ton(depreciation and upkeep) There is no diesel smell Oil changes are $89 at the Ford dealership When driving a diesel the new ones are as quiet as a gas engine I drive mine like a car everyday it rides great. I can take things with me without any worry of going over my payload capacity.A 8 foot box with a crew cab is not available in a 1/2 ton. I can take a Harley or a 2up 4wheeler with me (those little 5.5 or 6.5 boxes don't do it for me) With 400 horsepower and 800foot lbs of torque I get 20-22 mpg Hwy and 13-16mpg stop and go city. I have had many 1/2 tons including Toyotas,Fords,Chevys but for what I do when traveling with my Airstream I will never go back to a 1/2 ton. As you say to each his own.
I don't trade- ever-
I buy one and keep it as long as I can.
If you keep one for 15 years or more the diesel is much more expensive to own.
Tundra oil changes are $29 at the dealer-
Fuel is at least 30 cents less per gallon.
I do like the idea of an 8' bed, though.
No need to have an 8' bed on a half ton- you would be overloaded if you used it for a nearly 800# Harley and hitched to an Airstream.
I could, however, (and I might) put a Honda 250 dirt bike or a Vespa in my squatty bed pickup.
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:01 AM   #80
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I moved up from a '98 Dodge 2500 to an '08 Tundra just about 9 months ago and have never looked back.
Over all the Tundra gets 5 mpg better mileage and the additional 120HP makes a world of difference.
I lucked out because the Tundra only had 9,000, yes 9,000 miles on it.
I would have liked the 8' box, but for the price and mileage on this Double Cab model, I was willing to sacrifice and get the 6.5' box.
I am amazed at the technological changes that have been made in a 10 year period. The improved handling, increase in both HP and mileage, along with the cab comfort.
I am sure the changes have taken place in the American trucks as well.
I have owned 3 new trucks in my life. A '76 an '85 and even though the Tundra is an '08, I consider it new with only 9K miles. All of the trucks are Toyota. I still have the '85, it is approaching 300K miles and still runs great.
As a daily driver and TV this truck has the best of both worlds for me.
On a trip to Canada this year I found that the mileage improved by a consistent 2 mpg once I was north of the 49th parallel. No ethanol in the gas north of the border.
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:47 AM   #81
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I don't trade- ever-
I buy one and keep it as long as I can.
If you keep one for 15 years or more the diesel is much more expensive to own.
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I also keep them until near dead. I am not convinced that it is more expensive to own however.

Fuel is more expensive, however fuel mileage is generally better
OIl change is more expensive, however I use extended drain intervals 30 K)and synthetic oil.

The 99 Dodge Cummins, purchased new in late 98 has 576,000 miles and no engine work and no sign of any coming, In fact it has never been serviced by the dealer except for a computer reflash.
There is, at least in my case, the value of an 8 foot bed and extra load capacity.

I do have a 13 Dodge Cummins, however I still have the 99 and would not hesitate to go anywhere in it.

There is a lot of new technology on the new truck, some is nice, some is not, and it all scares the hell out of me. After 3 months I still feel like I need to go to pilot school, and that probably would apply to any new truck.
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Old 10-16-2013, 12:43 PM   #82
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That '13 probably cost $63,000+.
I paid $30,000 for my truck in 2008.
I think the most economical/environmentally friendly thing to do is keep and use old cars.
I have used old cars for daily drivers- cars older than or nearly as old as me- 1957 Chevy Bel Air, 1971 Volkswagen Beetle, 1972 Honda 250 Sport, a 1978 Jeep CJ-5. I have used more modern, but paid for cars for daily drivers. Most recently a 2001 Ford Taurus, a 2007 Chevy Express, a 2003 Chevy express, a 2002 Chevy Express, a 2000 BMW Z3, a1999 Nissan Pathfinder, a 1998 Chevy Express, a 1995 Chevy G2500 van. A little further back a 1997 Nissan King Cab pickup, a 1995 Nissan King Cab pickup, a 1987 Mazda B2000 pickup, a 1986 Pontiac Grand Am, a 1980 Volkswagen Rabbit diesel (caused me to hate diesels), a 1973 Oldsmobile Omega, a 1970 Chevrolet Bel Air, a 1970 Ford Maverick (caused me to hate Fords).
I am not able.
I cannot afford...
Not to mention insurance and registration and sales tax...
If I had a million dollars...
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Old 10-16-2013, 02:04 PM   #83
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That '13 probably cost $63,000+.
I paid $30,000 for my truck in 2008.
I think the most economical/environmentally friendly thing to do is keep and use old cars.
I
If I had a million dollars...
Don't jump to conclusions. The 2013 cost $40,000, (plus tax)which is still way too much for a base truck..
The cost of owning the 99 , meaning mileage divided into purchase cost is less than $.05 per mile. I don't expect to ever equal that again.
I am basically frugal also and if I can drive this one 500,000 miles I won't likely ever need another one.
Other than the 2013 , the rest of the fleet is all 15 or more years old, and will be driven until it is time to put them up on blocks in typical southern style

Time was buying a new vehicle was exciting. At this point in my life life it is just a pain because of having to personalize the new vehicle the way I want
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We seem to have strayed rather far off topic
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Old 10-16-2013, 03:11 PM   #84
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Unless you ALREADY own a 3/4 ton tow vehicle, too many Airstream Newbie's will immediately conclude that they NEED a big truck to safely deal with a Airstream. That makes them pay dearly for more truck than they NEED! The majority of people are not going to need or buy extra big Airstream's, or need a truck that costs more for fuel, as a everyday vehicle. That diesel power plant is a bunch out extra cash just to feel superior for the time that MOST actually USE their Airstreams. The reason Toyota doesn't offer diesel - per my dealer - is that extra power is NOT needed by most people, even guys that grew up with Tonka Toys. Use that money to buy more trailer -- or fuel. Countless Airstream trailers get sold because they really are not used much after being purchased, so why add a costly 'work class' truck to your driveway needlessly?! If you already have a big rig, so be it. If not, don't get one unless it's REALLY going to be put to more than casual use. My Tundra serves as a daily use vehicle. I don't need a 3/4 ton truck to go to the job or shopping.
Interesting comment, apparently Toyota changed their minds about diesel, as they are supposed to start using a V8 Cummins for 2014...
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