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Old 10-16-2016, 01:36 PM   #1
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Calculating Payload/Weights/etc F150 or SD

I've been considering an upgrade to a 2017 150 w/HDP and thought I'd like to estimate the payload with my options. A very similar 2016 I saw had a payload of 2364lbs.

After digging and finding documentation for 2016s on the fleet site, I created a spreadsheet. It lets me check off options as well as add in estimates on my own payload or 3rd party options. I figure at least for the f150, 2016->2017 isn't going to change much in option weights/etc. Unfortunately the SD calculations, while a good comparison for 2016, will not match up for 2017 models due to the changes in the SD lineup.

Interestingly, a similarly equipped F250 doesn't have much benefit over the F150 from a payload perspective.

The spreadsheet has links to the source data, you can copy the spreadsheet into your own google doc account and play with it.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...MldhH6IDOYhy_0
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Old 10-16-2016, 01:42 PM   #2
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I'd go with the 350 if I needed a lot of payload.
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Old 10-16-2016, 08:47 PM   #3
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This is a great resource and spreadsheet and super helpful to think through the options. I have been wondering about the same data you have thoughtfully assembled.

One angle which I have not been able to get my head around is the "real world" outcome of the the F150 W/HD payload vs the F250. Looking at the two, there is clearly a difference in the "beefiness" of the frame, suspension, and drivetrain. But the payload numbers don't bare that out. True, the 250 has to carry more of its own weight which may itself be a positive or negative towing factor.

Anyway, thanks for teeing up the discussion.
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Old 10-16-2016, 10:58 PM   #4
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This is a great resource and spreadsheet and super helpful to think through the options. I have been wondering about the same data you have thoughtfully assembled.
Thanks! It's certainly a lot of $ so I'm trying to be complete as I can and figure others can benefit.

As close as I can figure, a similar 2017 f250 gives 500lbs more payload than the 150 HDP. Other benefits may be a heavier vehicle (less push around by the trailer, but I haven't experienced that with the 150) and better brakes. But I think the 150 wins as a daily driver. Comparing a 2016 F250 to a 2016 F150 HDP, I think the payload gain is negligible.
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Old 10-17-2016, 04:18 AM   #5
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Did you know some F-450 have a higher tow rating than a F-350? Seriously they do or did.
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Old 10-17-2016, 12:42 PM   #6
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I am going through the exact same choice/situation. Test drove this morning the F250 2017 and then the F150 2016, the second is about 10K less at the dealer in Silverhorne. As I understand, the 250 provides an extra 2K of pulling weight and being Diesel, the torque is about double the gasser 150 I tested. The 250 has its own weight distribution system so the anti-sway bars (which I already have) appear to be unnecessary, the rear view mirrors extend electrically and it has a nice rifle/handgun box under the back seats, lockable. As for comfort driving them, the 150 is much like a car, the 250 is (for me) a little intimidating, overpowering. Will make a decision today and not sure which way I will go. I imagine that in less than ideal conditions coming down a steep slope, especially if the weather changed on me, I would wish to be on the 250. Any feedback is appreciated.
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Old 10-17-2016, 01:28 PM   #7
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Are you able to find the HDP package on the Fordís 2017 Build and Price tool? The package would become visible for the 2016 models if the XL, XLT, or Lariat model was selected with the 6.5í bed and the 3.73 gearing. When looking at the 2017 tool I have not been able to find it.

Does the HDP package effect the F150ís unloaded ride? The F150 definitely rides smoother than the SDs, just wondering if the HDP package makes the ride any rougher.
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Old 10-17-2016, 04:17 PM   #8
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F-150 vs F-250 load

Toaster: may not be big differences in Ford trucks but not so on Dodge Rams. I carry a 1966 Avion c-10 truck camper on mine and including jacks and water ready to camp weighing 2900 pounds on the
Grain elevator scales, load only makes the extra heavy duty helper springs touch. Put this load on a F-150 and you would "kill" it. Just saying. I tried pulling a 28 ft. 5th wheel and overloaded it. Went to the
Same Dodge 2500 Ram with no problems. Also currently pull a 1970 25 ft AS without WD hitch just friction sway control I have used both products and again I say "go Ram". Good day
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Old 10-17-2016, 05:53 PM   #9
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The question around the unloaded ride difference is a great one. It is probably hard to find a back to back comparison as very few dealers stock the HDP in the F150. I sure would like to give them both a whirl.
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Old 10-18-2016, 08:33 AM   #10
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I purchased a 2016 F-150 3.5 Eco-boost Lariat in July, could not be happier with it. I pull a 2015 FC 25, took and extended 32 day trip to Glacier in August, 5,700 miles no problems. The door sticker rates my F150 at 1,637 payload. I do watch what I put in the truck, but have no problems with up for down the mountains.
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Old 10-18-2016, 08:52 AM   #11
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This is what our two Ram 1500's have taught us while towing our Airstream and loaded utility trailer extensively, and hauling heavy loads in the bed over the last five years.

When hauling heavy loads in the bed we follow the GVWR (truck and "payload") recommendations, any more and we begin to feel instability and reduced braking while driving.

When towing our Airstream we can follow GAWR (axle weight rating) and GCWR (weight of truck and trailer and everything in them). A quality weight distribution hitch puts near equal loads on our truck axles and some to the Airstream. It handles and brakes beautifully, rock solid stability.

We are traveling with our Airstream now, sweet driving rig. Gave us 16.3 mpg 400 miles yesterday.
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Classic 30 Tow Vehicle -- F150 vs F250

Does anyone have any experience with a tow vehicle for a Classic 30? We test drove the 2017 F150 and F250 today....my preference is the F150 but the dealer was pushing the F250. Price wise they are about the same when we add all our options....If we decide on the F150 do we have to purchase the FC-30 instead of the Classic-30?
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Old 11-01-2016, 03:37 PM   #13
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If looking at a F250 spend the extra $600 and get the F350.They both ride on the same primary leaf spring so the ride is the same but there is a big difference in payload capacity.You will be glad you did.
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I do not have experience with the F-250 but I have a 2015 F150 with the max tow pkg.

I would recommend the F150, especially if you plan to use it as a daily driver. It WILL pull the weight. The only factor you must be aware of is the payload figure- that it meets your needs. What others are telling you about payload is spot on. If around 800# (what mine is minus tongue weight) is enough for people and stuff in the truck then you fit a properly configured F150, otherwise, go larger. It works for me.

Something you do not hear often is the "RV Education 101" guidelines to towing, that, you take the tow weight rating (since it is based on an empty truck) and then subtract the payload weight from it to determine overall capacity. So, my truck's tow capacity is 11,900 and payload is 1720 (11,900-1720= 10,180 lbs.)

30' bunk is 880# tongue with 8800# gross weight.

The 30' is within my tow specs. The 880# tongue is very similar to my 25' which is published 860# but is actually 990#.

Back six months or so ago I posted some really good information on a unique article as it compared half-ton trucks to their larger brethren of the three major brands. Anywho, at the time, Ford was a champ, so much so that to get close to the same capability as their half-ton, you had to buy the 2500 of the other brands.

Side note: I will say that another issue to look at is engine RPM at peak torque and @70 or so mph. You will find that Ford will be quieter operating, at least in their ecoboost models based on the fact that the pull power is at low low RPM. Designed to tow. The others HAVE to gear down, raise the RPM to get to the peak RPM for torque much sooner. A roaring engine on hills 5000 RPM VERSUS 2400 RPM impacts the overall driving experience.
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