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Old 01-29-2012, 11:55 PM   #85
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What is DEF? never heard of it. What does it do, do Ford F250s need it?
Diesel exhaust fluid or urea ... both Ford and GM products now have a tank that needs to be refilled at oil change recommended intervals. Dodge / Ram does not have the urea requirement so far and uses a regenerative filter to trap and periodically burn off the diesel "soot"... that made the decison for us. We hadn't heard of it either and the sales staff avoided any discussion of it until I asked the purpose of the big black tank hanging down on the underside of the Chevy 2500. That opened up the question to Ford as well.
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My TDI Jetta also has a tank for this... doesn't seem to cause any problems. So far it's never needed attention outside of oil change intervals, which are 10K miles.


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Someone who needs it can justify it by it's near-constant use. Those who can't will pay an unnecessarily high price up front and every mile past that for a "convenience" . . not a necessity.
If you don't want 4WD, don't order it. It works for me - and the mileage impact is pretty marginal as far as I can tell talking to 2WD 1990s Powerstroke owners like mine.

I've had my truck (sometimes with trailer) in places I could not go w/o it. Is that worth it? It is to me.

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Been looking into the F150 Ecoboost also (for a 27'er). Unless I read the payload selector table at the Ford site, you can't get the max payload package with the 5.5' bed on the screw. Best you can do is 1900lbs payload with the max tow package. If you go with the 6.5' bed you can get the max payload and have a 2310lb max. Those are for the 4x4, if you go 4x2 in the same 6.5' bed you get 2620 lbs max.
Just for camparison, a crewcab F250 has about a 3400 max payload.
What concerns me about the F150 is it still has F150 brakes, not the much bigger Superduty brakes.
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Don't forget the hitch classification ... our F150 was a class 3 factory installed hitch which might currently put you over the 5k GVW hitch limit for anything over a 20' AS ... I could see the hitch flex with our FC20 on the F150 ! Those darned insurance adjusters after an accident ... I was one for a period of time.
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Been looking into the F150 Ecoboost also (for a 27'er). Unless I read the payload selector table at the Ford site, you can't get the max payload package with the 5.5' bed on the screw. Best you can do is 1900lbs payload with the max tow package. If you go with the 6.5' bed you can get the max payload and have a 2310lb max. Those are for the 4x4, if you go 4x2 in the same 6.5' bed you get 2620 lbs max.
Just for camparison, a crewcab F250 has about a 3400 max payload.
What concerns me about the F150 is it still has F150 brakes, not the much bigger Superduty brakes.
yes, you are correct on the max payload being only available with the 6.5 box.

because adding a foot in length and the extra weight from the max payload would require Commercial plates in NY it looks like i'll be staying with the 5.5 box configuration. i'll be making a call to the legal dept in albany to see if there has been any talk up bumping up the passenger weight limits but i'm not too hopeful on that front.

if i feel the wheelbase is lacking i'll order a Pro Pride hitch.

as for the brakes i was told that there was a revision in the mid 2011 models that went to a thicker rear rotor. i don't know if there are aftermarket performance brakes available.
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Old 02-05-2012, 03:31 AM   #91
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Don't forget the hitch classification ... our F150 was a class 3 factory installed hitch which might currently put you over the 5k GVW hitch limit for anything over a 20' AS ... I could see the hitch flex with our FC20 on the F150 ! Those darned insurance adjusters after an accident ... I was one for a period of time.
the max trailer pkg offers a stronger hitch and i believe also a stronger rear bumper.
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Been looking into the F150 Ecoboost also (for a 27'er). Unless I read the payload selector table at the Ford site, you can't get the max payload package with the 5.5' bed on the screw. Best you can do is 1900lbs payload with the max tow package. If you go with the 6.5' bed you can get the max payload and have a 2310lb max. Those are for the 4x4, if you go 4x2 in the same 6.5' bed you get 2620 lbs max.
Just for camparison, a crewcab F250 has about a 3400 max payload.
What concerns me about the F150 is it still has F150 brakes, not the much bigger Superduty brakes.
I think the specs show the F150 actually has 13.7" rotors front and rear, which are bigger overall than the F250's 13.7 front & 13.4 rear
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"because adding a foot in length and the extra weight from the max payload would require Commercial plates in NY it looks like i'll be staying with the 5.5 box configuration."

POI...when I was at the Chevy store we registered many trucks with pass plates. 2500-3500 series.
Ad's on the dorz would be the obvious tip-off, even plowz weren't enough to raze a red flag.
The DMV doesn't inspect when registering, and it's up to the owner to decide what type plate's they want on their light and medium duty vehicles.

on edit......Westchester NY ooopp's DMV at your own peril.
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Don't forget the hitch classification ... our F150 was a class 3 factory installed hitch which might currently put you over the 5k GVW hitch limit for anything over a 20' AS ... I could see the hitch flex with our FC20 on the F150 ! Those darned insurance adjusters after an accident ... I was one for a period of time.

from the current (2012 model year) Ford brochure, XL model pages, available on-line -

" Trailer Tow Package (required for towing over 5,000 lbs.) includes Class IV trailer hitch receiver, 7-pin wiring harness, upgraded radiator, auxiliary transmission oil cooler, and SelectShift Automatic® transmission

Max. Trailer Tow Package (restrictions apply; required for towing over 5,000 lbs.)
includes Class IV trailer hitch receiver; 7-pin wiring harness; upgraded radiator; auxiliary transmission oil cooler; trailer brake controller; upgraded rear bumper; SelectShift Automatic transmission; and manual telescoping/folding trailer tow mirrors with manual glass or manual telescoping/folding trailer tow mirrors with power, heated glass, integrated turn signal indicators and security approach lamps "


iirc, none of our five F150 Supercabs (since 1997) with 4WD and 6'6" beds came from the factory with Class III receivers; all have been factory equipped with Class IV receivers.
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iirc, none of our five F150 Supercabs (since 1997) with 4WD and 6'6" beds came from the factory with Class III receivers; all have been factory equipped with Class IV receivers.
I guess that the info that I retrieved from our original 2005 F150 Lariat SuperCrew window sticker must be in error. Nice that the hitch classification has been upgraded on the newer offerings because that flex at the receiver when hooking up really bothered me.

There have been several speculations around here about the hitch / attachemnt to the TV - that were indicators of the potential cause of an accident. Hard in the follow up investigation to see much other than sheared parts and know just whawt happened first in determining the cause of the crash. So, class 4 is much better!
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"because adding a foot in length and the extra weight from the max payload would require Commercial plates in NY it looks like i'll be staying with the 5.5 box configuration."

POI...when I was at the Chevy store we registered many trucks with pass plates. 2500-3500 series.
Ad's on the dorz would be the obvious tip-off, even plowz weren't enough to raze a red flag.
The DMV doesn't inspect when registering, and it's up to the owner to decide what type plate's they want on their light and medium duty vehicles.

on edit......Westchester NY ooopp's DMV at your own peril.
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i guess they're using more computer tracking at DMV these days. you can tell them what you want but you won't get it. you can get pass. plates if you check the 'camper body' option which does not include a 'cap' (by legal definition). i've been ticketed for 'improper class'. tickets bring revenue. since i'm close to nyc i'd like to stay legal. commercial in nyc even requires a yc permit to BE there. it also requires your company name to be on the truck in 2"? letters. i don't have a company but the hearing officer just said, "Gulty - pay the fine". TYVM

I love NY (some times more than others. anyone want to discuss the NYC "use taxes" or public transportation surcharges?.
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Hi, I will be watching all of the details on the F-150 Eco-boost; I may end up buying a slightly used or maybe a re-po instead of new. As for the commercial license, in California, all pickups get a commercial license; Except for those with a permanamently mounted camper, making it a passenger vehicle. Commercial plates were about $50.00 extra. I don't know about what it is now, but I'm sure I'll find out when I buy my next tow vehicle.
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We tow a 25'FB 2011 Airstream with a 2011 Platinum 4x4 - 6.5 Bed 3.73 Ecoboost Ford F150. Class 4 hitch is standard WITH the HD towing package - towing max is 11,300#. Towing the 25' is no issue whatsoever. Runs easy almost never exceeding 2,200 RPMS, milege is about 11 while towing runs about 14 without trailer in very hilly area and up to 22 MPG on flat interstates keeping speed at 65 or below.

Did not get nav system, but did get rear camera, mounted in the inside review mirror, not too bad, same back up features as dash model and much cheaper. Did get rear step, a real blessing when getting in and out of the bed to load kayaks on the truck rack.

All in all my choice would be an F250 or F350 Diesel, but the "boss" drives a diesel school bus and did not want one in our personal vehicle, so I opted for the Ecoboost. Amazing tourque from this Turbo V6. Ford does not comment, but a long time friend and longer time diesel mechanice has told me to let the engive idle for a few minutes after stopping to let the turbos cool. we do this no matter where we are going.

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