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Old 12-26-2011, 09:53 AM   #57
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Don't forget to include the tongue weight.... so your axles have just enough capacity by a few hundred pounds.

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Just enough...how do we get there?

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Old 12-26-2011, 11:33 AM   #58
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I, also think the Ford Eco might be the ideal TV. There are also some limitations to be considered; with a 25 ft being one of them. The other would be the history of this engine; has it been time tested as a TV? Yes, it has been in cars, but NOT towing. For a TV for the larger rigs, why don't Ford have a 5.4 turbo charged?
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Old 12-26-2011, 12:56 PM   #59
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Just enough...how do we get there?

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What I meant was that tongue weight + axle capacity > GVW.... how much you want to overload things is up to you .

Personally, if I have extra weight to schlep I get it into the truck if I possibly can... we have air lifts on the truck, which makes tuning things easy. The frame and suspension on the truck is a lot more confidence inspiring than the Airstream's , and with a 6000+ lb rear axle load rating on the truck, I don't worry about breaking stuff.

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Old 12-26-2011, 02:00 PM   #60
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I pretty much do the same Bart...when the boats up top the ob and most other equipment goes in the Burb.
Plus there is a portion of the TW that gets sent back to the trailer. I really feel that the Classic deserves two 4000lb axles, that way we wouldn't have to worry about how much we "wanted" to overload.
676lbs of ccc 'taint much

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Old 12-26-2011, 04:49 PM   #61
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I pretty much do the same Bart...when the boats up top the ob and most other equipment goes in the Burb.
Plus there is a portion of the TW that gets sent back to the trailer. I really feel that the Classic deserves two 4000lb axles, that way we wouldn't have to worry about how much we "wanted" to overload.
676lbs of ccc 'taint much

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X2. That's a "big" trailer by any definition.
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Old 12-30-2011, 08:04 AM   #62
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thanks everyone for all your input. i made some changes to the configuration to add a few items and to add the heavy duty payload package. i had to start with the XLT model and most of the options added back in and a few i wasn't getting before. it ended up with a list price that was less than the FX4. all went well until the dealer no longer was willing to match the invoice plus $300.00 that he happily agreed to do a week ago.

so for now i'm still shopping but i know exactly what i want to build.
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Old 12-30-2011, 08:33 AM   #63
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the final configuration is:
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Old 12-30-2011, 09:46 AM   #64
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Given all of the great input (from those with much more experience than I have), the underlying theme seems to be to advise you to get a heavier duty truck than a 1/2 ton F-150. It seems like your mind was made up on the F150 before you started - and you are quite set on an F150. Although the F150 which we have used as a TV since 2005 was great for our previous TTs - and we dearly loved every feature of the Lariat 4x4 trim level, it simply was not up to the demands of a heavier TT such as our AS - with its 631 pound hitch weight and its 5800+ pound mass! (see avatar pic) You are looking at considerably higher mass.
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An equalizer hitch can only do so much. It can not, however, compensate for the transmission, rear suspension, axle, or tire load capacity of the 1/2 ton class of TV.
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You will love your new truck just as much as we did our F150 ... but for pulling a TT of any length or mass, our new 3/4 ton beats the F150 hands down in virtually every category (except initial cost). The available torque is much higher on the available Turbo diesel which makes hills no longer a challenge; the mass of the TV increases the safety / controllability vastly, and our suspension is no longer challenged. Incidentally, we chose a different brand because it does not require the addition of DEF or urea to meet the EPA diesl emission guidelines. Perhaps I am just over cautious, but I have investigated many accidents over the last 40 years which were likely "linked" to TV choice and pushing the envelope to the extreme. Clearly you have spent much more time on this forum than I ... suggest that you reread the advice above.

One last suggestion before you commit the $$$ is to go to your TV dealer and ask to test drive a similar TV - either new or used - with your TT hitched behind. Be sure to drive where there are some mountain passes as well as be alert to tail wagging possibilities ... another $.02
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PS - click on this link for more considerations.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f48/our-loss-35568.html

and, a Happy New Year to all ... be safe out there.
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I don't get the connection. Are you implying that a 3/4 ton diesel would have avoided this tragedy that the owners chalked up to inexperienced towing?
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Hi again, richinny,
Just to add to the confusion, if you're the kind of guy who would enjoy playing with the capabilities of a sophisticated transmission, then consider one of the higher trim levels...it will include a user-friendly console shift lever....worth it!
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I don't get the connection. Are you implying that a 3/4 ton diesel would have avoided this tragedy that the owners chalked up to inexperienced towing?
Not implying that at all ... that link is suggested reading for ANYONE that will be towing and buying a TV....to reiterate: go to the TV dealer and ask to test drive a similarly equipped vehicle (with the specified TT & hitch) and then be aware of the potentials for tragedy ... and, perhaps, pray for the best and prepare for the worst. I tend to be extremely cautious from years of pre-flight check lists.
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One last suggestion before you commit the $$$ is to go to your TV dealer and ask to test drive a similar TV - either new or used - with your TT hitched behind. Be sure to drive where there are some mountain passes as well as be alert to tail wagging possibilities ... another $.02
Hi, I have worked at new car dealers since 1968 and I don't know of, and never heard of, or even seen, a dealer let someone hitch up a trailer for a test drive. Yet alone take it to the mountains???????
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Hi, I have worked at new car dealers since 1968 and I don't know of, and never heard of, or even seen, a dealer let someone hitch up a trailer for a test drive. Yet alone take it to the mountains???????
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