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Old 09-09-2006, 09:44 PM   #15
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I get the feeling that if I said I was towing the trailer with a TRUCK with a 5000lb tow rating, instead of a car with a 5k tow rating there wouldn't be that much said.
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Old 09-09-2006, 11:21 PM   #16
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I get the feeling that if I said I was towing the trailer with a TRUCK with a 5000lb tow rating, instead of a car with a 5k tow rating there wouldn't be that much said.
Hi, Somehow, when first reading this post, I thought maybe I should tell you that anything over 19' might be too large and heavy for your Buick. Then, I thought, most people asking these questions are going to do what they want to do anyhow. So I'm not surprized to read that you went for the gusto and bought a 31'er. Good Luck to you. And I hope you don't learn the hard way what the Airstream forum members are trying to tell you for free.


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Old 09-09-2006, 11:52 PM   #17
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here's one on the way to Yosemite via Tioga Pass. From PA with 2 kids, 2 adults.
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Old 09-10-2006, 12:50 AM   #18
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Thanks for the Pic. Now that everyone has the giggles about my choice of a tow vehicle. (Not thats it likely to be towed anywhere anyway). What the heck do I actually have? We bought it from an estate auction and it was supposed to have been a 1974 28' model. I haven't got the title back yet. Someone, I forgot who told me it was a 1979 International 31' model. Ok....it does say "International" on the rear but it also says "Sovereign-Land Yacht" on the ID plate above the serial # 0162. Its also 28' long. Today when we removed the kitchen cabinets, we found a magazine from 1975. So....
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Old 09-10-2006, 09:59 AM   #19
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Nah...

your lower center of gravity should overcome that wheelbase difference. I towed my 26ft Argosy with my 110" Astro, sway wasn't an issue. I'd check your brakes though. I wasn't too sure of the Astro's heat soak capability - I was always worried about brake fade. You may also want to get some LT tires for the TV vs. the P metric ones they ususally have. Stiffer sidewalls (you could even go to a lower profile tire) and more weight capablity (of the tires) will decrease any tendancy to sway.

I think the Roadmaster should work out fine - see Eric's post earlier. I'm sure his new 25ft'r weighs more than your trailer. I weighed my 26ft Argosy in at 4500#'s with water and propane.

Post pics when you can. Have a great time camping!
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Old 09-10-2006, 10:46 AM   #20
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I don't think its a giggle. Its a testament.

If the folks at Can Am are towing large Airstreams with Dodge Intrepids and you have had such success with your rig as you have, it shows what can be done.

It is always a good idea to make sure things are within spec and a 4k hitch should probably be beefed up to handle a 7.2 k trailer like a 70's Ambassador or Sovereign (29' or 30'. Same with suspension and tires

The trailer should pretty much handle itself as far as braking goes. The main thing the load will do is to increase the need for maintenance and attention to wear and tear.

But a lot is the driver, too. There are a lot of things the driver can do to detect and ameliorate handling problems and there are a lot of fixtures available to assist in improving the handling, too.

There are some folks who use an MDT, or even an HDT to tow their Airstream. Then again, some folks, like my parents, have a sedan as a tow vehicle. While there are some cases of stupidity in these decisions, I think too many are rather too quick to cast judgment of their preferences on others.
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Old 09-10-2006, 01:53 PM   #21
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I get the feeling that if I said I was towing the trailer with a TRUCK with a 5000lb tow rating, instead of a car with a 5k tow rating there wouldn't be that much said.
I've towed my 73 31ft with a V6 03 Astro. To Fall Creek Falls.

You will be fine. Get a good weight distributing hitch.

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I'm glad to see you did the right thing by taking your Airstream to the scales this is smart. A couple of points to consider 4200 lbs is 84% of the 5000 lb capacity, a hitch system will add on average 100 lbs and you still need to get all your stuff for a weekend in the vehicle. You really need to look at GCVWR. No manufacturer, even with mods, will advise you to tow at 100% of capacity. In the end I know you will do what you want. Please do so with caution. I wish you safe travels.
The reason for my persistent point is that in the mere 3500 miles of towing my new AS I've already seen two trailer roll-overs and they were nasty. Both situations were over correction of sway. It was an eye opener and both accidents may have been prevented by drivers traveling at lower speeds and better matching their tow vehicle to the trailers. Both examples were very long trailers towed by 1/2 ton or less trucks with a short wheelbase.

BTW I read in your profile that you have a 1988 F250 I know you said it easier for the Mrs. to get in and out of the wagon but with the margins so thin on this combination why wouldn't you use the truck?
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Cookeville34, could you post the entire VIN? That would tell us about the model of trailer. For example is it I31T9J0162? That would be a 1979 Sovereign International (31') with twin beds.

I wouldn't buy air bags. A weight distributing hitch is the only way to properly and safely carry the tongue weight, balanced over the four tires of the car. Even coil overs are for carrying heavy loads in the vehicle, not for supporting the tongue weight of a trailer. The weight on the rear of the car results in weight taken off the steering tires.
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Old 09-12-2006, 08:42 PM   #24
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Hey, I didn't really expect all the excitement over my old trailer, but its very interesting to read everyones point of view. I posted a pic of my trailer on the my profile part of the system. The serial number is 131T9J0162, and there is some alien writing stamped in above that. I'll take a pic of the entire plate later on.
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Forgot to mention....I added further insult to injury and moved the trailer around the yard with my 88 F150 6cyl. Just being a smart azz, lol.
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Old 09-12-2006, 09:23 PM   #26
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So have you gone to see the P-38 Lightning (Glacier Girl I think it's called) that is in your town?

I know I know, totally off topic, but I used to get down that way and always went by your town but never got to go into it. I always wanted to see the restored P-38 that at least one guy died trying to recover it and a lot of guys went broke for. Not too many of those left flying...
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I messed up. I had the town wrong. Sorry!

I've been by both towns and got them mixed up. It's Middlesboro KY where the airplane is.

DOH!
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Despite what we all opine on these forums, Airstream had some advice to us in the owner's manuals that started, "If you plan to buy a new tow car to tow your Airstream . . ."

And it didn't get much more complicated.

For 1979, remember 1979? Pollution equipment was so primitive that a 1979 V8-350 Chevy pickup went phew, belch, when trying to accelerate and couldn't get out of its own way, much less get good fuel mileage.

Well, guess what? Into this mess Airstream said,"Divide the total weight of your trailer by the cubic inch displacement of your automobile engine. This ratio should be between 10 and 20 pounds of trailer weight per cubic inch of engine displacement. "

There were other recommendations, too, but the '92 Buick Roadmaster is a vehicle anchored more in the past than in the future. Just as there's nothing like it sold today, there was nothing else that wasn't like it in 1979 to tow an Airstream except some exceedingly trucklike trucks.

So, how does the wheelbase of the Roadmaster compare with the '79 Caprice and Country Squire? How does the horspower compare?

I guess what I'm getting at is that we've become so accustomed to overpowered, overly capable vehicles that we think that those who came before us were complete idiots.

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