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Old 07-18-2015, 01:39 PM   #169
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ust double check the payload sticker on the door before signing the paperwork. Ford's documentation is best case.
You are dead right KJRitchie on that matter. My truck, by the chart or sales brochure as configured engine, axle ratio, wheelbase indicates a payload of 2070 lbs and a towing capacity of 11,900 lbs and the hitch as having 1250 lb tongue weight limit with 12,200 lb towing capacity.

All of that apparently is accurate; however, as equipped, my truck payload is now 1720. Could be specific wheel/tire combi, inverters, or some other options but whatever it is, it weighs around 300lbs and is now to be counted.
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Old 07-18-2015, 06:18 PM   #170
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All of that apparently is accurate; however, as equipped, my truck payload is now 1720. Could be specific wheel/tire combi, inverters, or some other options but whatever it is, it weighs around 300lbs and is now to be counted.
Does yours have the 146" wb with 5 1/2' bed or the 157" wb with 6 1/2' bed?

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Does yours have the 146" wb with 5 1/2' bed or the 157" wb with 6 1/2' bed?

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It is the 145" wheelbase 4x2 super crew. The dimensions changed a bit too.

One thing I have noticed that I preferred in the previous design (09-14) is the door inside floor strips. They looked better and ran along the whole door opening and say Ford. The new ones are a small 7" wide or so plastic plate.
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BTW, just drove over recently to the trailer storage area and went through the trailer setup program on the truck. I found it has a specialized setting for MPG calculation when towing- different than my other truck.
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I wanted to add another tidbit to your thread Bob that applies to both '14 and '15 F150 trucks- the difference the F150 offers. Aside from features or options which Ford has lots, there is another difference that is too great to overlook, especially for the towing crowd. Most of us consider the 3.5 Ecoboost or the 5.0 V8 and rightly so. The 2.7 is a great engine but a mid-hauler payload model for smaller trailers, boats, etc.

When I shopped brands this is the big ah-ha- Performance and efficiency. Dodge required me to go to the 5.7 hemi with the 3.92 axle. It weighed 6000# and, according to owners online gets 13/19 mpg unloaded with the 8-spd. The sales guy told me around 12 in town. The Tundra is around the same in their most towable configuration. That leaves Chevy and it requires the 6.2L which chimes in at 15/20 with the best mpg axle. I could not find mpg rating from owners or online with the higher numerical axle. They use the lowest available axles for MPG testing. So, here it is. The other brands, when configured to give the tow/payload capacity to match the 3.5 Ecoboost don't quite have as much capacity still and get quite a bit less mileage unloaded by up to 4-5 mpg difference. Out of curiosity I have started using the engine specs to compare power/torque at RPM. Here is the Ecoboost 3.5 stats:

@70mph with the 3.55 axle 1806 RPM 36% of HP (139HP)/72% of Torque (302 ft lbs)

my previous truck with 4.6L3V 3.55 axle @70mph 1889 RPM 31% of HP (91HP)/44% of Torque (140 ft lbs)

I am working on the others. This reveals performance at speed and capacity to pull at highway speeds- torque on hand in normal driving without gearing down, etc. My drive this summer in WV with the old truck and all the auto shifting shows up as it only had 140 ft lbs of torque to pull hills without shifting down which it did a lot to gain more torque. Look at the difference.
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Ok Bob, here is the rest of the data I mentioned. This is important to anyone looking at purchasing a tow vehicle and speaks loudly for the F150 whether '14 or 15 model:

According to the dealers of the respective brands I shopped, I am using their recommended configuration for pulling a 25' Airstream weighing 7000# gross with a tongue weight of 1000# with cargo in the truck bed as well. I have used @70 mph as the reference point since it is the most common hwy speed. Towing at 65 mph will grant some benefit but also lower some of the RPM figures such as torque on tap, etc. The Ford is the 3.5 Eco with 3.55/Silverado 6.2L with 3.75/Dodge with 5.7 3.92- all max towing models/most powerful options and calculated with 20" wheel option on all LTZ/Laramie/Lariat:

F150@70 1806RPM 36%HP (139HP)/72% (302ft lbs)
Silverado@70 1788RPM 32%HP (139HP)/44% (202ft lbs)
Dodge@70 1936RPM 35% (138HP)/48% (197ft lbs)

As far as MPG goes the challenge with the Ecoboost is to not have to gear down or accelerate too much to keep blower usage down. The Silverado and Dodge use cylinder deactivation; however, it is unclear how much that may benefit while towing a heavy load. Additionally, the Dodge and Silverado are using an 8-speed transmission to keep the RPMs down to gain MPG; however, that also limits the torque/power on tap before gearing to attain more power/torque. The Chevy violates this the least but you can see the results. It is obvious that once gearing down, any cylinder deactivation is lost to increase power. My point is that these setups are less designed for towing and achieving better mpg.
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Hi, just a small note: when manually activating the brake controller, it turns on the truck and trailer brake lights. So far I have been getting 10.6 to 10.8 MPG while towing; Today I got 12.0 MPG towing. Was it better gas? Was it better roads? Or was it because I now have over 10,000 miles on my truck? It wasn't speed because I was going mostly 65 MPH and sometimes 70 MPH.
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Well I bet while towing you have much more power than your old Navigator. I get about 10 mpg with my Expedition towing. Seems like about all tow vehicles get the same mpg while towing.
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So far I have been getting 10.6 to 10.8 MPG while towing; Today I got 12.0 MPG towing. Was it better gas? Was it better roads?
Is that the computer or your fuel stop calculation? Just curious. I had the 3.55 rear and got 12mpg almost always at the pump calculation with different engine. The computer would tell me 13.x. Eleven is probably correct with a 3.73. They told me the different axles vary the mpg by about 0.5 mpg between. Dunno just told.
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How are the mirrors

What are your thoughts on the mirrors? Big enough as is? Ever wish for the bigger ones? I'm debating if I need the tow mirrors and some other finer points, but have been following your thread closely.
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What are your thoughts on the mirrors? Big enough as is? Ever wish for the bigger ones? I'm debating if I need the tow mirrors and some other finer points, but have been following your thread closely.
We have the tow mirrors on our unit and would not consider a truck without them.

As a side note. We seem to be getting the 10.5 - 11 mpg range as others have reported. It just seems to be what it is. This is a computer calculation as doing the math when your purchasing fuel in litres with Canadian $$ is way to complicated.....
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Cool. I had them on my must have list, but there just doesn't seem to be many trucks out there that meet my criteria. I may have to bite the bullet and go without and pay for a pricey upgrade down the line. If i'm buying a new truck, it's going to be exactly what I want at the price they run these days.

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Well I bet while towing you have much more power than your old Navigator. I get about 10 mpg with my Expedition towing. Seems like about all tow vehicles get the same mpg while towing.
Hi, my truck definitely has way more power; even when it down shifts, it never sounds like it's working hard.
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What are your thoughts on the mirrors? Big enough as is? Ever wish for the bigger ones? I'm debating if I need the tow mirrors and some other finer points, but have been following your thread closely.

Hi, having the big mirrors was a major thing for me; I would never go without them. it makes life so much easier than with the little mirrors and extensions. seemed that no-one had them in stock. Mine was bought from a dealer in Reno, Nevada and trailered to Salem, Oregon.
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