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Old 12-25-2008, 12:01 AM   #43
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Navigator or Navigator L comes in at 9000 #'s with a 4X2

WB for Navigator is 119", for Navigator L it is 131". I believe the "L" is for Long WB.

https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/...specs.asp?EV=0

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Hi, 8,900 lbs tow rating with my 2000 Navigator and it does just fine. And towed in the snow and ice for the first time this month.
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Old 12-26-2008, 11:58 AM   #44
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Is a 4 wheel drive Suburban TV preferable to a 2 wheel drive?
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Old 12-26-2008, 12:51 PM   #45
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Is a 4 wheel drive Suburban TV preferable to a 2 wheel drive?
I prefer 4x4 because I boondock a lot where there may not be asphalt or concrete roads. In some places it's sand and some stone. 4x4 on a Suburban does decrease the overall tow rating by about 400 to 500lbs, but if you have a trailer that is about 8000lbs wet, you'd be fine. I know some have 2 wheel drive with and without posi and they are happy as can be. I also use my Suburban in the winter months when it gets fairly bad out. Between towing and winter driving I put maybe 5k per year on the clock.
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Old 12-26-2008, 04:04 PM   #46
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Is a 4 wheel drive Suburban TV preferable to a 2 wheel drive?
That is a tough question to answer with out knowing how you are going to use the Surburban. As pointed out above Silvertwinkie uses his Burb for other things than towing.

Myself I do not get into the snow/sand except once in four or five years when I go North in AZ in the winter. Otherwise I personally have no need for 4X4 operation. If you do not have that need, the 4X4 option will cost you in towing capacity, fuel economy and cost of maintence/repair. However if you need that function at any time it could be priceless.

So it is an individual need question.

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Old 12-27-2008, 12:33 AM   #47
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Hello all -

Agree with the post that mentioned the 'individual' situation....

Truer words have seldom been spoken...

I REALLY have NO NEED for 4x4 ability, am a suburban dweller, with kids, NO rock crawlers, and seldom venture beyond the concrete that seems ever more prevalent, these days....

HOWEVER,

I went to park the SilverToy ('92 34' Classic Limited) at it's 'new' winter respite spot last week, and it had been raining here in Virginia, a bit..... 2 inches over 2 days. The spot was SOFT.

SilverToy backed in like a champ! however, as I KNEW the ground might likely get soft as some time or another over her respite, so I provided some concrete block that the grass can grow thru, for her tires to rest upon....

Alas, my 1st effort at parking, while initially fine, did set her tires a bit askance on the blocking, so a 2nd effort was needed.... and as I pulled forward, the tires on the TV began to slip. Upon first indication that I was destroying the turf I stopped.... and went to 4x4!

This is a situation that ONLY high snow drifts and the like precipitate. Oh, and, of course, moving SilverToy, on wet and soggy ground!

4x4 saved the day!!!! SilverToy moved her regal girth with nary a complaint - and the turf was OK. All was well! The turf was a 2ndary concern, my issue was with pulling her out in the Spring, when the ground has swelled and added to any berms, or ruts, and such with grass, turf, weeds and the like. I want a nice SMOOTH spot for my SilverToy. All was well with the world!

Until I noticed that there was another unfortunate soul that was mired very nearly axle deep in a similar situation. He had a 2 wheel drive Dodge.

I had him unhitch, and then pulled my 4x4 into place. Got him set and pulled that SOB he had, right out for him.... After all, it is the Season for Giving, right??

Not sure where he was off to, but he bade me a "Good Night" as he pulled his sled away.....!

But seriously, I have no real need for 4x4 on a daily scale, but WHEN I need it, I NEED IT!!!! and that is worth it to me over the long haul.

4x4 has saved me in towing situations about 5 times, on a daily driving basis, it has saved me 0 times. Not sure of your math, and how you figure things, but for me that has been worth my $'s and my peace of mind.

Best of luck!

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Hello all -

Agree with the post that mentioned the 'individual' situation....

Truer words have seldom been spoken...

I REALLY have NO NEED for 4x4 ability, am a suburban dweller, with kids, NO rock crawlers, and seldom venture beyond the concrete that seems ever more prevalent, these days....
Agree too... In my 40 years of driving in Canada with 2 wheel drive cars (including one mini van) I have never needed a tow because of a traction issue. This includes many klm's of towing the Airstream.

Because I have not had the extra costs involved with 4wd (fuel, 4wd option, repairs. etc) over the 40 years of driving I estimate I have saved well over $50,000.
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