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Old 11-10-2007, 04:43 PM   #15
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3/4 tons are only slightly more than 1/2 tons until you add in the diesel. If you leave engine and all options the same it may only cost another grand to go from 1/2 to 3/4. But if you go 3/4 and then diesel, talking new here, you can add another 6 grand plus over the price of the 1/2.

The engine in Solitaires' Chevy may or may not be enough for his trailer but it doesn't much matter on the downhill side of the mountain. That is where the 3/4 ton chassis might be needed.
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Old 11-10-2007, 05:28 PM   #16
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I've gone up some pretty steep hills in TN and WV with my rig and I've not hit one yet I couldn't do 60-65mph on.

One word for ya: DIESEL!
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Old 11-10-2007, 05:59 PM   #17
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Ok all I am the new guy on the block and most of my post have been defending why our new 08 f150 with all options is an excellent tow vehicle and I am currently into a 7k trip michigan calif and back. If you want look and see how it is set up and what we have gone through towing a 28 safari.

Now for icng on the cake. The 5.4 comes standard with abiity to burn e85. Just filled up on Fort Collins for 2.06 /gallon. Smells like a mix between vodka, gin and gas. We have paid as low as 1.99 and it looks like all the way back we will be on corn fuel. Feels good to give it to the farmers and not the middle east. For all you diesel 3/4 ton guys this new generation of heavy 1/2 ton trucks from Ford are worth looking at. Maybe for 30 classics and above you need the brutes, but for most of us set up correctly they just plain work.
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Old 11-10-2007, 07:57 PM   #18
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When I bought my first F-250 it was $3,000 cheaper than a equivilently equiped F-150. My new one was $10,000 more than my old one. Extended cab, Diesel, automatic transmission.
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Old 11-10-2007, 08:13 PM   #19
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I find what you guys have to say about the 1/2 ton vs the 3/4 ton trucks confusing. I never have understood how to know what is the best vehicle to tow your particular trailer.
I have a 31' international land yacht dry weight 4960, tongue weight 490. I pull it with a silverado 1/2 ton. I live in Colorado, I easily do 65-70 on a straight road in drive (not overdrive) and about 40-50 going up the mountains.
To be honest, that is well within 1/2 ton range.
A 3/4 ton would get you a greater safety/comfort margin, but is not needed for those weights...
The pre 80's units are much lighter than the newer AS's.

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Old 11-10-2007, 08:18 PM   #20
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Good post!
Another thing to keep in mind; the 3/4 ton with small block gassers are the "entry" level of the HD trucks. Yes you can get the hemi in a 1/2 ton and a 3/4 ton, but you can also step up to the diesel or ?(does Chysler offer a bb?) or Ford's equivalent as you found out is the 5.4 versus the V10 bb. For GM it is a 6.0 versus the diesel (why they did away with the 8.1 we'll never know?).
So yes, you can get all the other "good stuff" like bigger brakes, higher payload. etc and an entry level small block with a 3/4 ton. These are often marketed to contractors as "wd" packages (stripped down-no options,hd chassis to haul a lot of crap in the bed, but not any big time towing, so they put in a small gasser) But if you are towing big, I would go for the big ponies, not just the chassis...

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Thanks all especially BillTex. I walk past two or three construction sites on the way home to the Metro subway here in Washington, D.C. and this is where I've seen these "Base" model 3/4 tonners. As you say, beefier components to handle cargo which they are simply taking from point A to point B. They are NOT pulling a serious trailer anyplace like alot of Airstreamers are. The contractors who do SERIOUS hauling either have a diesel in a 3/4 ton or a 1 ton. They also seem like they might even have an F450 or F550.

By the way (Here I go Again!), is that Powerstroke in the F450 and F550 the same as the one in the F250 and F350? Again, I guess Dodge and GMC may drop similar engines into their slightly larger trucks as well.
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Old 11-10-2007, 08:26 PM   #21
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I am always interested in this type of post even more as I get closer to the end of my lease. I am now paying .20@mi after our extended summer trip with the new 08 31 Classic being over 36k in the 05. The Suburban 3/4 6l 4.1 axle performed well till we reached the mountains and manual downshifting made me a convert to going diesel. I would say a clear majority of the western folk I ran into pulling large fifth wheelers no heavier than my AS were in diesels. I have decided to get into a crew cabin duramax with allison drive. I have not decided whether to go with a single axle 3500 or a 2500 HD. Belief it or not in Oregon I saw quite a few 1 ton single axle trucks pulling trailers. Those folks are heavy duty campers and seem to have alot more experience than floridians. I leased the Suburban before I even knew that I might buy an RV, it came about because I almost lost my Volvo XC AWD when trying to pull my BWhaler out of a wet ramp at low tide. It was over kill but providence was looking out for me, it met the ticket for the AS. When we were in Perry the Burb met many of its brothers, same configuration. I plan on buying and want longevity and the possibility to run biodiesel. I have been monitoring the biodiesel forums on the coops and many are now occupied with its production especially in the more rural areas of central florida. If fuel stays up near $3 there will be the incentives for more individuals to look into the processing. I drove the Superduty Ford, more refined than its earlier incarnation but still too much like a truck for us. I plan on getting a topper with carpet and connector for AC from the cab. There is also a full bed tray that allows one to get easier access to cargo. The GMc/Chevy model is more like the suburban is in the LTZ line.The new burbs with the plastic bumpers really turned me off, I think the 05-06 burbs have a nicer exterior.
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Old 11-10-2007, 08:44 PM   #22
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Dear RBolton: Your right the 3/4 ton is close in cost until you add in the 6K or so for diesel. I always reasoned I would get all or most of that back at resale or in longer useful life.

I hate engine lug and downshifting and thats why I was asking whether the guy in the colorado mountains was driving 40-50 mph because his engine was straining or if thats all you can do on mountain switchbacks.

I have been happy with diesels but the big Dodge 10 cylinder is the smoothest engine I have ever driven. When they were new they were pretty spendy and thirsty. Now you could probably catch a real good deal on a used one and the money saved together with gas at 40 cents a gallon cheaper than diesel may make them a bargain.
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Old 11-10-2007, 08:45 PM   #23
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I am always interested in this type of post even more as I get closer to the end of my lease. I am now paying .20@mi after our extended summer trip with the new 08 31 Classic being over 36k in the 05. The Suburban 3/4 6l 4.1 axle performed well till we reached the mountains and manual downshifting made me a convert to going diesel. I would say a clear majority of the western folk I ran into pulling large fifth wheelers no heavier than my AS were in diesels. I have decided to get into a crew cabin duramax with allison drive. I have not decided whether to go with a single axle 3500 or a 2500 HD. Belief it or not in Oregon I saw quite a few 1 ton single axle trucks pulling trailers. Those folks are heavy duty campers and seem to have alot more experience than floridians. I leased the Suburban before I even knew that I might buy an RV, it came about because I almost lost my Volvo XC AWD when trying to pull my BWhaler out of a wet ramp at low tide. It was over kill but providence was looking out for me, it met the ticket for the AS. When we were in Perry the Burb met many of its brothers, same configuration. I plan on buying and want longevity and the possibility to run biodiesel. I have been monitoring the biodiesel forums on the coops and many are now occupied with its production especially in the more rural areas of central florida. If fuel stays up near $3 there will be the incentives for more individuals to look into the processing. I drove the Superduty Ford, more refined than its earlier incarnation but still too much like a truck for us. I plan on getting a topper with carpet and connector for AC from the cab. There is also a full bed tray that allows one to get easier access to cargo. The GMc/Chevy model is more like the suburban is in the LTZ line.The new burbs with the plastic bumpers really turned me off, I think the 05-06 burbs have a nicer exterior.
We had 2 Burbs before the BA CC. The Burbs are great family vehicles. You cannot beat the DA for tow duty though. Economy with the diesel is much better, as noted, the interior is just as refined as the Burb. The Allisson is unreal.
One thing to consider, and the reason we bought an 06, the previous gen diesels will burn anything, not so sure about the new (07) engines...
PM me if you want any more details on our Suby/DA CC experience.
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Old 11-10-2007, 10:05 PM   #24
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We had 2 Burbs before the ?? ??. . .
PM me if you want any more details on our ????/?? ?? experience.

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Old 11-10-2007, 11:01 PM   #25
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Bill,
My '07 Chev 2500HD Duramax EC SB can burn any of the Bio-diesels that are comercialy available now.
And it is a cleaner burning than the '06.
I have not towed my '91 34' Limited Edition yet as I am still working to rebuild the interior. However when towing a friends 10,000 lb trailer, I got 13 plus MPG, but I did not tow it far enough to have a real good log on it. Only went 430 miles. I'm getting right at 18.6 empty and it is increasing with every tank full. Only have 3700 miles on it so not completely broke in yet. Yes, my fuel cost is higher than a gasser but the end result is worth it.
I went with the Duramax because it is much QUIETER than the Dodge or Ford and IMHO a better ride.
Also the 2500HD has a towing rate well beyond the GCCC of the AS's rated 8,900 lbs.
But this is JMHO.

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We had 2 Burbs before the ?? ??. . .
PM me if you want any more details on our ????/?? ?? experience.

We have no idea what you're talking about.
Hi Mark...I think he means DA CC...Duramax Allison Crew Cab and Surban (Suby)...the one reference to BA CC I think should have been a silmilar DA CC. Crew Cab is I believe the four door version as opposed to the EC or extended cab. Next poster talks of the EC SB...extended cab short bed.

It also drives me nuts when I don't recognize the "code"...you probably figured it out by now.

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My 93 Silverado is an 8 cylinder 350. I don't know about the RPM's It is a strain going up the mountain. I would prefer a 3/4 ton but for the time being I have to live with what I have.
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I went with the Duramax because it is much QUIETER than the Dodge or Ford and IMHO a better ride.

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Have you heard or not heard the 08 Ford? Very quiet, much quiter than my 06. Any the tow capacity. I can tow your AS and your TV with my F-250.
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