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Old 08-07-2008, 05:29 PM   #29
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Thanks for all of the great responses!

Wow, I was maybe expecting a few answers, and possibly a "don't ask such a dumb question", certainly wasn't expecting over 30 responses- thanks! Fun to see how everyone has a great solution for their needs. I like the idea of a truck so I can haul a bicycle, and maybe a smoker back there. I noticed Tundra, and Sierra are giving real good deals right now. Thanks again, I now have a much better idea of what it is going to take to tow my future 25' safari. Look forward to many more answers on this great forum!
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Old 08-07-2008, 05:51 PM   #30
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How about a 69-73 Chrysler Town & County Wagon with a 440 V8
or 69-73 Imperial with the same engine,

or 74-76 Cadillac Fleetwood 472 or 500 V8, 500, that's Big!

74-79 Lincoln Town Car with 460 V8

I have not mentioned a newer car yet,

Those cars are what I remember seeing growing up in the 70's
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I am partial to the 1977 Lincoln and so is my friend commander31.

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Old 08-07-2008, 06:32 PM   #31
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I'm probably the wrong person to chime in on this thread considering I tow a vintage 25' Trade Wind with a one-ton crew cab dually, but I can only afford one truck and it has to be able to tow considerably more than just the AS. However, I subscribe to the theory of 'Better to have too much truck than not enough.'
Growing up on the gulf coast, it was very common to see larger boats being pulled by vehicles that simply weren't up to the task. As flat is the area is, it was still pretty common to see people white-knuckling it down even a small hill when the trailer started driving the truck. The popularity of smaller Jeep Cherokee sized SUVs in the early '90s seemed to multiply the problem. Nothing scarier than a Nissan Pathfinder with a 30' cabin cruiser pushing it down a hill, especially when the trailer has no brakes!
Now that I've moved to South Carolina, I spend a good portion of my leisure time in the Appalachians. I often see mid-sized SUVs pulled off the side of the road with the brakes smoking because they were towing campers that were close to the max rating of their vehicle when empty and the truck just couldn't handle the steep descent with a loaded trailer behind it.
My point is, just because you have a truck that will pull the trailer under ideal conditions, doesn't mean it will keep it under control in more extreme situations. I've been towing heavy loads pretty much since I was issued a driver's license. Even with one of the heaviest tow vehicles on the road, I'm still very picky about the things I'm willing to hitch the beast up to. The safety of my family and the others around me is too important to me to consider towing a heavy load on public highways that my vehicle can't safely handle.
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Old 08-07-2008, 06:42 PM   #32
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Wow, I was maybe expecting a few answers, and possibly a "don't ask such a dumb question", certainly wasn't expecting over 30 responses- thanks!...<snip>...
Well, the reason for that is that you've touched a nerve in the towing community...there is a lot of discussion (and even more opinions) of tow vehicles, hitches, etc. and most folks have their own take on it... When I saw your original questions, I braced myself for the hot and heavy discussion that I thought would ensue...but I'm happy to see that that did not happen after all, and you actually got some level-headed, sensible and useful information that is based in caution and helpfulness to work with... Thanks everyone for that!

See you down the road...travel well!
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Old 08-07-2008, 09:23 PM   #33
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Old 08-07-2008, 10:13 PM   #34
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dont buy the tundra......I learned today from a freind that chevy trucks with the VIN number starting with 1 is american 2 is canadian and 3 is mexico. I love my Super Duty
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Old 08-08-2008, 04:04 AM   #35
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I'm thinking about the getting the equalizer hitch for my Tundra, since I'm upgrading to a 25 SS on Monday. Anyone have any experience with this? It seems to make sense to me, but just looking for some suggestions before laying out the money for it.
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Old 08-08-2008, 05:32 AM   #36
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I noticed Tundra, and Sierra are giving real good deals right now. Thanks again, I now have a much better idea of what it is going to take to tow my future 25' safari. Look forward to many more answers on this great forum!

The best advice I have been given is to buy your tow vehicle AFTER you buy your Airstream!
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Old 08-08-2008, 05:43 AM   #37
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I had to slow down; our daily driver died for good about two weeks after we bought the big dog. Faced with feeding it on a daily basis and with diesel prices shooting up, not wanting my travel limited by the bookkeeper, and seeing the real savings to be had by slowing down, I decided it was the way to go for me.

Secretly I was thrilled to get to drive my truck all the time, but I didn't kill the van on purpose, honest!

When I first slowed down to 55 after being a lifelong leadfoot, I was embarrassed to be passed by little econoboxes, big rigs, and everything in between. Silly, I know.

Then I noticed how peaceful it is to slow down and actually take in the scenery going by, how much less stress I felt, and I took a secret pleasure in knowing I could pass 'em all going uphill if I wanted to
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Old 08-08-2008, 06:15 AM   #38
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The GVWR should be the first number you look at. Then the tow capacity. Figure tongue weight, fuel, passenger weight, and cargo. Many medium size SUV's are quickly over capacity.
The goal is not to achieve what will go down the road, but, rather what will bring you back alive in a strong cross wind gust, going downhill, with a trailer that is starting to fishtail.

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Old 08-08-2008, 07:08 AM   #39
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My brother bought a new Tundra. (He seems to buy a new truck about every six months). He tows a 26' non AS trailer (boxy and heavy) in Montana and often tows it on steep, unpaved roads. He installed rear air bags and a quality aftermarket hitch system. Between the bags and sway control, he's been happy with how the Tundra has pulled.

I own a Nissan Titan. You may encounter a bit of skepticism about "foreign" trucks and towing. If you buy a Tundra, my suggestion is find a good Tundra forum. I visit "Titantalk" on a semi-regular basis. This is how I found out that the Dana 44 rear differential is a weak point on the Titans. As noted on other threads, I recommend finding a vehicle that will pull the load "on paper," i.e., GCWR. There is also a great "after market" with products that can really make a towing experience better. Maybe I'm biased, but I don't think you can go wrong with the Prodigy braking system. Many folks feel more comfortable with air bags or something like the Roadmaster installed. If there are weak points in a suspension, you can bet that someone makes a beefier replacement, e.g., PRG makes an aftermarket shackle for the Titan that is much stronger than stock. You can't go wrong with something like a Reese dual cam. Some people buy a truck and think, "Hey, I'm ready to go." If you're buying a Ford F-350 to pull a vintage Bambi... OK, you probably don't need much. On the other hand, there are many great "add ons" that can make your towing experience more comfortable and more safe. Good luck.
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Wow Airbags on a truck????? I put my 11000 lbs on my super duty it might drop 1/2 inch maybe. I use weight distributing just because the hitch reccomends it. My Ford Van was the same way. I agree go not with what tows it but what can travel with it sefely. I wanted to ad my buddy is a diehard chevy guy. He puts a large slide in camper in his truck with a 24 ft thompson boat behind it. He fishes and camps and hunts No Airbags!
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Chef Jeff, You are going to be overweight on your 25 Safari rig right out of the box. By the time you load up on propane and a little water you are going to be right at your tow limit before any clothes and groceries are loaded into the trailer.
You didn't mention your gross combined vehicle rating on your Explorer but you are probably pushing that as well by the time you load the vehicle normally.
If you are seiriously overloaded, towing is going to be a white knuckle experience and it may be your fault if you have an accident.
I tow a lot of miles at high altitude on mountain roads in Colorado. I am a fan of bigger is better and a diesel Excursion (3/4 ton) is right for me and my 2004 25 foot Safari.
If your don't tow a lot of miles, and tow at sea level with no big hills or mountains, you could get by with a half ton truck or bigger SUV. They are similar in tow ratings so what you like and what you get the best deal on is what you should buy.
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Like many Montanans, my brother drives a ton of miles. I think his take on airbags is that the system allows him to stiffen the ride when he's towing and to soften it when he's cruising sans trailer. I'm more a fan of the Roadmaster Active Suspension, but that's just me. I understand that bags or other suspension things might be unnecessary on a 3/4 or 1 ton super duty.

If you look under most common pickups built since the 70s, you can see that OEM suspension technology hasn't changed much. The interest in more "extreme" motorports, however, has given rise to a whole industry devoted to beefing up suspension and improving handling and performance. Now, I'm not saying anything will make a stock 1/2 ton frame into a 1 ton super duty frame... but there are upgrades that can improve the towing handling of 1/2 ton truck.
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