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Old 10-11-2012, 03:46 PM   #113
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Who is going to pony up for the 2013 Porsche Cayenne DIESEL! 7500+ tow rating!... ok very similar to the Toureg, but still.

... Once you tow with a diesel it is hard to go back to gas.

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Old 10-12-2012, 09:41 AM   #114
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We keep a VW Jetta TDI at home for use without the trailer. The Touareg TDI can't come close to that in fuel use or cost of ownership either. The Dodge and the Jetta together cost less than the Touareg, all bought new.

So whether apple or orange, they are both good, but one costs much, much more to do the same job.

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Ahh, you raise another factor. In retirement, with relatively high vehicle taxes in CO (not to mention insurance and maintenance - part of the all-in CPM), we've decided to be rather practical and own only one vehicle. Even that one sits idle for five months while we are sailing. Our 08 Grand Cherokee MB Diesel (yes, the $$ fully loaded model) does it all for us. 23.5 mpg avg. 15-17 mpg towing, goes anywhere in comfort. 80,000 miles so far, 26,000 towing. We're waiting for the upcoming 2014 Jeep GC Diesel. So, it depends upon how you define 'the job' in your terms. The real bottom line, IMHO, is personal satisfaction.
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Old 12-19-2012, 08:57 PM   #115
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towed a88 25 ft exella from al. to maine and back 3400 miles on trip tow vehicle 2ooo ford f250 deisel 85 hp chip 7.3 eng. averaged on trip 16.4 mpg. lws1
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:42 PM   #116
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Ahh, you raise another factor. In retirement, with relatively high vehicle taxes in CO (not to mention insurance and maintenance - part of the all-in CPM), we've decided to be rather practical and own only one vehicle. Even that one sits idle for five months while we are sailing. Our 08 Grand Cherokee MB Diesel (yes, the $$ fully loaded model) does it all for us. 23.5 mpg avg. 15-17 mpg towing, goes anywhere in comfort. 80,000 miles so far, 26,000 towing. We're waiting for the upcoming 2014 Jeep GC Diesel. So, it depends upon how you define 'the job' in your terms. The real bottom line, IMHO, is personal satisfaction.
Ahh, you still have two vehicles, a Jeep and a boat, one of which sits idle for half the year.

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Old 12-19-2012, 11:42 PM   #117
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High vehicle taxes ... don't move to MT ! Ours are scary.
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Old 12-20-2012, 08:01 AM   #118
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True, and I'll never tow the Airstream with the sailboat. The mpg would be exceptional if I could, however
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Old 12-20-2012, 10:56 AM   #119
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Ahh, you raise another factor. In retirement, with relatively high vehicle taxes in CO (not to mention insurance and maintenance - part of the all-in CPM), we've decided to be rather practical and own only one vehicle. Even that one sits idle for five months while we are sailing. Our 08 Grand Cherokee MB Diesel (yes, the $$ fully loaded model) does it all for us. 23.5 mpg avg. 15-17 mpg towing, goes anywhere in comfort. 80,000 miles so far, 26,000 towing. We're waiting for the upcoming 2014 Jeep GC Diesel. So, it depends upon how you define 'the job' in your terms. The real bottom line, IMHO, is personal satisfaction.
Good point. We decided as retirees, as well, that we could get by with one vehicle; in our case, a crew cab Toyota Tacoma. It works for most things we could want.
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Old 12-20-2012, 07:20 PM   #120
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Old 12-20-2012, 08:07 PM   #121
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Dura max vs Powerstroke

Lastest test. I towed my Cloud with my late Dura max and got 16 MPG and 13.2 with the new Powerstroke. Same route, same everything.
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Old 12-20-2012, 08:51 PM   #122
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Best mileage ever towing my 30 FC with my 2010 F250 6.4 Powerstroke Diesel from Grand Rapids, MI to Mitchell, SD and back was exactly 10.0 mpg.


Best mileage empty was recently returning from St. Louis with a tailwind, using Stanadyne Performance additive at 16.8 mpg.
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:40 AM   #123
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Update, again. I have a few more trips now and it looks like 12mpg is my average @60-65 mph. Sixty miles per hour will get around 13mpg. I also just purchased one of those Bully Dog monitors. (so much for the 14mpg I got the one trip) Interestingly The April 2013 edition of Trailer Life features and article with an ecoboost and a Starcraft Travel Star (curved front overall) 8550 lbs. and got 12 mpg on their test while towing, 29mpg on solo runs highway. I am still monitoring the Ecoboost F150 forum and it looks like the boost rainwater issue was solved. Ford brought back the option for the 3.55 axle over the 3.73 as the eco engine has so much pull to begin with. The one advantage I see is that the ecoboost can tow at a faster speed and still get 12 mpg compared to my engine. Other than that, it is similar.
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I also saw that 29mpg solo on the F-150 eco-boost in the Trailer Life. I think that is a typo. No way is it 29 mpg.
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Old 03-16-2013, 10:18 AM   #125
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Hi tuffr2
I am sure the ecoboost 29 mpg is a typo. I looked at my gas records for my 2012 Ecoboost and I have 2 fillups where no towing was involved, 18.9 and 19.8
mpg figured manually, freeway miles under 60mph.
Also after a little over 8,000 miles my average manual mpg calculation is 14.5
mpg and the average of the F150 computor is 14.9mpg. I mention this as a comment on the built in gas milage computer.
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Hi tuffr2
I am sure the ecoboost 29 mpg is a typo. I looked at my gas records for my 2012 Ecoboost and I have 2 fillups where no towing was involved, 18.9 and 19.8
mpg figured manually, freeway miles under 60mph.
Also after a little over 8,000 miles my average manual mpg calculation is 14.5
mpg and the average of the F150 computor is 14.9mpg. I mention this as a comment on the built in gas milage computer.
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Not positive if the Ford powertrain control module is programmable for tire height, is so it's it's a simple task to re-program to the actual measurement.

It got our driver info center to .2mpg of actual.

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