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10-09-2012, 08:21 PM
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Vintage Kin
Fort Worth
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Calculating fuel cpm is the point. The overall cpm is much higher, thus not shown.
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10-10-2012, 07:26 AM
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#102
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Rivet Master
2015 28' Flying Cloud
Durango
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Quote:
Originally Posted by REDNAX
Calculating fuel cpm is the point. The overall cpm is much higher, thus not shown.
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Sorry RED, I missed your point. Agree that fuel cpm is fine for estimating that aspect of your trip cost, (like food cost per day). It is not meaningful for the vehicle efficiency comparisons in this thread.
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10-10-2012, 08:07 AM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2009
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The bottom line of fuel efficiency is out-of-pocket cost to get the job done, or it is meaningless. Why spend $50,000 to get a few more miles per gallon, when you can get a less fuel efficient but capable tow vehicle for $25,000?
This is the question is asked myself when I compared a VW Touareg TDI with a Dodge Ram Express 5.7 gas, and bought the Dodge.
There are many similar examples. Fuel efficiency can be very expensive.
doug k
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10-10-2012, 10:03 AM
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#104
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3 Rivet Member
1999 34' Excella
Cinnaminson
, New Jersey
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 158
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03 F350 CCSB SRW, 7.3L psd bone stock 4x2. I tow a 1990 29' Excella. I dont have an exact figure, but its in the 13 to 14 mpg range on long trips. I rarely see much better thank that.
I usually budget my trips using a 12 mpg figure, to error on the side of caution. That way I usually end up with more fuel than I planned for.
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10-10-2012, 01:35 PM
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#105
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2 Rivet Member
2007 27' Safari FB SE
Springfield
, Virginia
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 82
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dkottum
The bottom line of fuel efficiency is out-of-pocket cost to get the job done, or it is meaningless. Why spend $50,000 to get a few more miles per gallon, when you can get a less fuel efficient but capable tow vehicle for $25,000?
This is the question is asked myself when I compared a VW Touareg TDI with a Dodge Ram Express 5.7 gas, and bought the Dodge.
There are many similar examples. Fuel efficiency can be very expensive.
doug k
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I didn't buy for fuel efficiency, just diesel power (and hopefully a more reliable diesel from Ford). The somewhat unexpected amount of fuel efficiency from this vehicle is an added benefit I thought I would share for others in the market for a TV. (btw my 250 is a supercab short bed; 142" wheelbase)
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10-10-2012, 10:21 PM
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#106
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2 Rivet Member
1960 22' Safari
Colo Spgs
, & Tucson
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 90
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TouringDan
Ahab
That is outstanding fuel economy, even with the planets all properly aligned, but I doubt that it is the record. I am waiting for a VW diesel to chime in towing a lightweight vintage Airstream.
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Ha ha...I've got the lightweight vintage AS and the twin to the Touareg--a Porsche Cayenne Turbo. It's far from a diesel though and at $4/gal for Super I don't even want to know the "cpm" calculation. ;-) I must say though that `10-11 mpg at a consistent 70mph from Colorado to Arizona was a pleasant surprise considering the 16-17mpg I usually get unloaded at much faster speeds.
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10-10-2012, 10:24 PM
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#107
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USN/LAPD Retired
2005 25' Safari
North Las Vegas
, United States
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 850
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6.7 L Dodge Cummings Diesel: 14 mpg while towing
19-21 on freeway when not.
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10-10-2012, 10:38 PM
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#108
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2 Rivet Member
1960 22' Safari
Colo Spgs
, & Tucson
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 90
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Budget M3
Ha ha...I've got the lightweight vintage AS and the twin to the Touareg--a Porsche Cayenne Turbo. It's far from a diesel though and at $4/gal for Super I don't even want to know the "cpm" calculation. ;-) I must say though that `10-11 mpg at a consistent 70mph from Colorado to Arizona was a pleasant surprise considering the 16-17mpg I usually get unloaded at much faster speeds.
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Oh, and the P-truck is 6 years old and cost much less than ANY newer TV. Factoring in the (lack of) depreciation and cheaper insurance for a 6 year old vehicle, I'd guess I am probably running the equivalent of somewhere around 20cpm. Not as good as many here, but I am having just as much (or more?) fun!
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10-11-2012, 09:17 AM
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#109
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Rivet Master
2015 28' Flying Cloud
Durango
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dkottum
The bottom line of fuel efficiency is out-of-pocket cost to get the job done, or it is meaningless. Why spend $50,000 to get a few more miles per gallon, when you can get a less fuel efficient but capable tow vehicle for $25,000?
This is the question is asked myself when I compared a VW Touareg TDI with a Dodge Ram Express 5.7 gas, and bought the Dodge.
There are many similar examples. Fuel efficiency can be very expensive.
doug k
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Doug,
You compared an apple with an orange - those two vehicles couldn't be more different. Selecting a vehicle, particularly if towing is not your sole or even primary usage, involves many more factors than mpg. Enjoy your Dodge - I really enjoy my Jeep CRD. Different tastes.
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10-11-2012, 11:08 AM
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#110
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Rivet Master
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JamuJoe
Doug,
You compared an apple with an orange - those two vehicles couldn't be more different. Selecting a vehicle, particularly if towing is not your sole or even primary usage, involves many more factors than mpg. Enjoy your Dodge - I really enjoy my Jeep CRD. Different tastes.
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For the purpose of tow vehicle and easy daily driver at destination, the Dodge Ram and VW Touareg TDI are quite similar, at least for us. Both have adequate power and rated towing capability, both are relatively short wheelbase for getting around town, both drive and ride comfortably.
The difference and deciding factor is in fuel use/cost which is not huge, and initial price, tax, license, insurance and maintenance costs, as well as money either tied up or paying interest. It's a guess what the difference will be over the long run, but we found the Dodge Ram Express fully equipped for towing and nicely outfitted a great bargain.
We keep a VW Jetta TDI at home for use without the trailer. The Touareg TDI can't come close to that in fuel use or cost of ownership either. The Dodge and the Jetta together cost less than the Touareg, all bought new.
So whether apple or orange, they are both good, but one costs much, much more to do the same job.
doug k
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10-11-2012, 12:39 PM
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#111
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Rivet Master
2016 30' Classic
Trenton
, Illinois
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I just completed a 5,000 mile trip to Yellowstone and back. Even with the kayak on the roof I averaged 17.2 mpg towing (calculated). I kept my speed at 66 mph. My previous F-150 couldn't even get that EMPTY.
The highest I've seen with a tailwind was 19.1 mpg and the lowest going into a strong headwind was 14.2 mpg. I've towed about 12,000 miles this year and couldn't be more pleased with the Touareg TDI.
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10-11-2012, 01:33 PM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2009
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Yes Steve, small diesel is probably the future of towing. I wish VW or others would produce a lower priced utility version instead the fancy models for us that just want a tow truck.
doug k
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10-11-2012, 02:46 PM
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#113
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3 Rivet Member
Vintage Kin Owner
Warrenton
, Virginia
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Who is going to pony up for the 2013 Porsche Cayenne DIESEL! 7500+ tow rating!... ok very similar to the Toureg, but still.
... Once you tow with a diesel it is hard to go back to gas.
Great looking setup TinLoaf!
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10-12-2012, 08:41 AM
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#114
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Rivet Master
2015 28' Flying Cloud
Durango
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dkottum
We keep a VW Jetta TDI at home for use without the trailer. The Touareg TDI can't come close to that in fuel use or cost of ownership either. The Dodge and the Jetta together cost less than the Touareg, all bought new.
So whether apple or orange, they are both good, but one costs much, much more to do the same job.
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Ahh, you raise another factor. In retirement, with relatively high vehicle taxes in CO (not to mention insurance and maintenance - part of the all-in CPM), we've decided to be rather practical and own only one vehicle. Even that one sits idle for five months while we are sailing. Our 08 Grand Cherokee MB Diesel (yes, the $$ fully loaded model) does it all for us. 23.5 mpg avg. 15-17 mpg towing, goes anywhere in comfort. 80,000 miles so far, 26,000 towing. We're waiting for the upcoming 2014 Jeep GC Diesel. So, it depends upon how you define 'the job' in your terms. The real bottom line, IMHO, is personal satisfaction.
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12-19-2012, 07:57 PM
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New Member
1988 25' Excella
pinson
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tv mpgs
towed a88 25 ft exella from al. to maine and back 3400 miles on trip tow vehicle 2ooo ford f250 deisel 85 hp chip 7.3 eng. averaged on trip 16.4 mpg. lws1
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12-19-2012, 09:42 PM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JamuJoe
Ahh, you raise another factor. In retirement, with relatively high vehicle taxes in CO (not to mention insurance and maintenance - part of the all-in CPM), we've decided to be rather practical and own only one vehicle. Even that one sits idle for five months while we are sailing. Our 08 Grand Cherokee MB Diesel (yes, the $$ fully loaded model) does it all for us. 23.5 mpg avg. 15-17 mpg towing, goes anywhere in comfort. 80,000 miles so far, 26,000 towing. We're waiting for the upcoming 2014 Jeep GC Diesel. So, it depends upon how you define 'the job' in your terms. The real bottom line, IMHO, is personal satisfaction.
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Ahh, you still have two vehicles, a Jeep and a boat, one of which sits idle for half the year.
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12-19-2012, 10:42 PM
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#117
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Rivet Master
2015 25' FB Eddie Bauer
2013 25' FB Eddie Bauer
2012 20' Flying Cloud
Small Town
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High vehicle taxes ... don't move to MT ! Ours are scary.
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12-20-2012, 07:01 AM
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#118
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Rivet Master
2015 28' Flying Cloud
Durango
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dk,
True, and I'll never tow the Airstream with the sailboat. The mpg would be exceptional if I could, however
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12-20-2012, 09:56 AM
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Len and Jeanne
2005 16' International CCD
2015 19' Flying Cloud
Creston Valley
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Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,793
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JamuJoe
Ahh, you raise another factor. In retirement, with relatively high vehicle taxes in CO (not to mention insurance and maintenance - part of the all-in CPM), we've decided to be rather practical and own only one vehicle. Even that one sits idle for five months while we are sailing. Our 08 Grand Cherokee MB Diesel (yes, the $$ fully loaded model) does it all for us. 23.5 mpg avg. 15-17 mpg towing, goes anywhere in comfort. 80,000 miles so far, 26,000 towing. We're waiting for the upcoming 2014 Jeep GC Diesel. So, it depends upon how you define 'the job' in your terms. The real bottom line, IMHO, is personal satisfaction.
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Good point. We decided as retirees, as well, that we could get by with one vehicle; in our case, a crew cab Toyota Tacoma. It works for most things we could want.
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12-20-2012, 06:20 PM
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#120
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
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Join Date: Jun 2007
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11.2 to 12.5....why?
I used to obsess...but I grew out of it.
Bob
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