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Old 05-28-2012, 12:40 PM   #1
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Best gas truck?

I am replacing my 04 Duramax and wanting to know what is the best crue cab pickup to buy, H.P., torqe, MIlage being consederd.
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Old 05-28-2012, 12:45 PM   #2
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Best gas truck?

What is the best gas pickup, I have a 25 " safari FB. Hoping to get 12 MPG pulling at 60MPH. Thanks for your reply
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I have a '09 27FB International CCD and pull with an '11 Tundra Dbl Cab 5.7L with no problems whatsoever - up hills or down. I average around 13-14 mpg. At 60 mph, that would go up slightly as I tend pull a little faster.
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I pull a safari 25 with a 2010 Chevy 2500hd with the 6.0 gas engine. 3.73 rearend, 4x4, crew cab. I have pulled to Florida from Tennessee several times at 60 mph and average 11.5 mpg. My fuel economy improved after 20,000 miles. It also gets better mpg with non-ethanol gas.

I really like the GM 6.0 2500hd.
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Old 05-28-2012, 01:44 PM   #5
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What is the best truck tends to be the same as the one the poster has. Given that, the best truck is the one we have. A 2007 Tundra double cab with the 5.7 L. engine. We get about 11.5 mpg and drive 65 when we can. We have an '08 25 FB SE too. The new Tundras seem to be exactly the same; they are due for an update. There are some downsides. Smaller gas tank (26 gal.) compared to other 1/2 ton trucks and Toyota has cheapened interiors and some exterior things, but the truck is very reliable.

We also lived in Evergreen in Marshdale; moved in 2000 to get away from the crowds.

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Old 05-28-2012, 02:29 PM   #6
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I tow with a 5.7l Sequoia... nice motor and nice transmission... same as the Tundra.

I'd be curious to try the Ecoboost Ford, as the empty mileage is quite impressive. Still a little spooked about gas-turbo combos though.

If you like your diesel though, the current Dodge/Ford/GM offerings all have ridiculously high ratings for towing... much more than even the biggest Airstream needs. So, pick one where you are going to get the dealer support that you like. I've stuck with Toyota largely because my dealer treats me like gold. But, my brother-in-law was driven away from Toyota because of a different experience in his city with Toyota...
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But, my brother-in-law was driven away from Toyota because of a different experience in his city with Toyota...
Toyota has some bad dealers and good ones, just like Airstream.

The Sequoia is like the Tundra, but is heavier and thus has less payload. A very comfortable SUV though, more so than the Tundras.

An alternative to the 5.7 L. is the 4.6 L. with a supercharger. This option, installed only by dealers, is not promoted by Toyota, but I'm told it gets much better gas mileage as a daily driver (maybe 24), but has plenty of power. It is expensive, so I don't know how it compares with the standard 5.7 L. If I were in the market for a new truck, I'd check it out—similar idea to the Ecoboost. I've not seen any problems reported with it, but not many people buy them. It can be installed on many different Toyotas and I'm sure some dealers don't even know about it. I wouldn't be surprised if Toyota starts promoting it as gas mileage requirements go up.

After doing some reading, it looks like a redesigned Tundra won't come 'til the '14's.

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Ford F150 Ecoboost with max tow/payload pkg. The turbos are excellent in the mountains.
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Toyota has some bad dealers and good ones, just like Airstream.

The Sequoia is like the Tundra, but is heavier and thus has less payload. A very comfortable SUV though, more so than the Tundras.

An alternative to the 5.7 L. is the 4.6 L. with a supercharger. This option, installed only by dealers, is not promoted by Toyota, but I'm told it gets much better gas mileage as a daily driver (maybe 24), but has plenty of power. It is expensive, so I don't know how it compares with the standard 5.7 L. If I were in the market for a new truck, I'd check it out—similar idea to the Ecoboost. I've not seen any problems reported with it, but not many people buy them. It can be installed on many different Toyotas and I'm sure some dealers don't even know about it. I wouldn't be surprised if Toyota starts promoting it as gas mileage requirements go up.

After doing some reading, it looks like a redesigned Tundra won't come 'til the '14's.

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I looked at the 4.6/5.7 comparision (4.7 at the time) and found the difference to be minimal... maybe 1-2 mpg to step up into the bigger mill. Same transmission though... The supercharger is expensive ($6000 just for the hardware) so I'd have trouble imagining it 'paying off'. It also works on the 5.7, if you want to go 500hp+...

I've never seen a V8 Toyota supercharger, but a friend of mine had the 4.0L V6 supercharger in his Tacoma. $10K by the time it was all set up with some other gadgets... went like stink... mileage was horrible when driven hard... which he did all the time. The thing practically wheelied pulling onto the highway and hitting it though...
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We have a 2008 Tundra CrewMax (crewcab) Limited with the 5.7L V8. If I keep my foot out of it, we can get up to 16.5 mpg on the flats at 55 mph. However, cruising 55-65, depending on roads, we usually get around 13.5.

We have gotten 23.5 mpg several times when not towing, on the very flat road between Phoenix and Tucson, but again that's at 55 mph. The same trip at 75 mph gets around 17-18 mpg.

The Limited has leather interior, and we got the navigation system, upgraded stereo, etc., so we are very satisfied with our pickup. It is very quiet, rides nice and is a great highway cruiser that handles pretty good around town, too. It is sure a lot more comfortable than the 3/4 ton Chevy crewcab that the Tundra replaced; but to be fair that tank was a 1978. Great tow vehicle, but with a 454 V8 it sucked gas (4-7 mpg, towing or not)!

We have owned several Toyotas, so we are sold on the reliability, alone.

By the way, I think the 5.7L gets the same or a little better fuel mileage as the 4.7L (if you can keep your foot out of it); and you definitely DON'T need the supercharger for towing or normal driving. Our CrewMax has a zero-60 just under 8 seconds and can burn rubber off of the line. Also, we have never had any trouble going the speed limit uphill in the Rockies, even on the long steep 7-8% grades. However, we usually slow down on the grades for safety.
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Earlier this year we bought the Ford F-150 SuperCrew w/ Ecoboost and Max Tow Package (2012) to tow our Eddie Bauer 25' AS. We are using the ProPride Hitch.

Our conclusion was that all the truck companies are making great products so you have good choices all around. Here's our experiences with the Ford:

- 15 mgp around town. 18 - 20 mpg freeway. 9 - 11.5 mpg towing. 11.5 @ 60 mph, flat terrain. Less in mountains or when driving faster or in a heavy headwind.
- Plenty of power for towing a 25' Airstream even (especially?) in the mountains. The dual turbo situation is butter. This past week (Seattle to Missoula and back) I had the cruise control pegged at 60mph or 65mph (depending on which state we were in). We had a number of other trailer/truck combos keep zooming past us on the flats and we'd keep passing them in the hills. Other than tight turns, we never had to back off on the speed, even in steep grades. All temps stayed cool. It is a powerful tow vehicle.
- The truck is well set up to tow especially with the Max Tow Package. On the downhill in Tow/Haul mode it engine breaks very intelligently and holds what speed you want very well. The break controller has been great. The backup camera is great for hitching up. The Max Tow package mirrors are great. And while we've not yet used (to our knowledge) the anti-sway / anti-lock braking feature I'm glad to have it if things get ugly.
- The suspension is a bit soft. On the positive side it drives very nicely for a truck. We faced some porpoising that has mostly been solved by getting everything dialed in (tire pressure etc) and especially getting the Weight Distribution cranked to the right place. We have the 1400lb bars for the ProPride which Sean recommended and I agree are the right tool for our combo. We are still seeing a bit of movement on the oldest, worst sections of cement section slabs... but very acceptable. I had been considering upgrading the rear shocks or adding a leaf helper such as Roadmaster Active Suspension but probably will stay with the stock suspension.
- The interior fit and finish (Lariat) is really nice. Very comfortable on long trips and crazy room in in the back seats of the SuperCrew. I thought air-conditioned seats were totally frivolous until i experienced the "cooling factor" first hand. Wow.
- The Ford handles great with the 25' AS / ProPride combo. It handles great when empty.

Complaints? Not many:

- We were forced to get the tailgate step with the other option selections we wanted. I don't like it and would prefer not to have it.
- The subwoofer is a bulky box under the back seat. The back seats raise up in a very easy/clever way leaving boatloads of space with a flat floor in the back. You could sleep two back there with the seats up. Except the subwoofer eats into this space on one side. I've read on the F-150 forums that some owners remove the subwoofer and don't really notice a difference in the sound system. I haven't done this yet but may.
- Towing gas mileage. I probably had unrealistically hoped for a bit better mileage when towing.

Aside from the tiny nits, I can say that I'm VERY impressed with the Ford. This is an impressive truck by any measure.

Good luck! Let us know when you pull the trigger on something.

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Old 05-31-2012, 07:10 AM   #12
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Thanks, ALL

Thanks, Everyone, your help is appreciated. I am picking up My Ford F100 Ecoboost today. bc Seatle, thanks for your note. Al
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