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Old 08-30-2009, 10:29 AM   #15
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I just checked the specs over at the Company Website. The Flying Cloud 19 footer has a GVWR of 4500#. A Safari Sport 22 footer has the exact same GVWR of 4500#.

So, it would seem that if the TV can do a 19 Bambi, it could do a 22 Sport.

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Old 08-30-2009, 11:12 AM   #16
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Nathan, we're new to Airstreaming too, and have done lots of reviews of the forum regarding tow vehicles. Our sense of most of the posts is that horsepower alone should not be a criteria for your TV. Some very conservative members would recommend a PeterBuilt for your trailer...their theory is that the trailer should not have any influence on the TV. Good theory, but most people can't afford a PeterBuilt for something they tow only occasionally.

For most Airstreamers, the TV is going to be a compromise between what's best for towing and what's best all the rest of the time. Don't push the limits on your TV at any time, but don't buy twice the truck you need unless you're going to tow 90% of the time.

The posts recommending sway control and load distribution are dead-on. These are a must no matter what TV or trailer you have.

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Old 08-30-2009, 11:27 PM   #17
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3) Your last question is a tiny bit subjective...let me ask you this, do you like stopping? Seriously, brakes are really important on the Airstream, because they reduce the wear on the tow vehicle's brakes. If you're going down a 6% grade hill, and all you have are tow vehicle brakes, you might as well bend over and kiss your 4th point of contact goodbye. I don't care if you downshift into 1st gear....a few things could happen, you lose your tow vehicle brakes from overheating, you lose your tranny because downshifting just made it work harder or your lose your tranny and your brakes and now you're a 7000lb runaway, praying for one of those tractor trailer runaway ramps (I always wanted to gun it and take one to see what would happen...I'm demented, I know).

So I hope that helped some.
I gotta tell you Stingray, I've always had a desire to hit those runaway truck ramps myself. After your last reply, though, you got me reconsidering that one.
I feel silly asking this, but I guess since I've not yet hit the open road with my trailer I don't really know, are Brakes Standard on Airstreams? Or, more importantly does my 70 Caravanner have brakes? Or, perhaps most importantly should I just get my flashlight and just go outside and have a looksy?
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Old 08-30-2009, 11:44 PM   #18
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I agree with what most are saying. The stability in adverse responses is the key. Straightline towing is easy, it's when things dont go right I'd be thinking about. I also agree that you could pick out your AS and see how it does and upgrade your TV as needed. In any case weight distribution hitch and brake controller a must. I'd really pay attention to the tongue weight. While I have a 24' with a tongue weight of 510, before I add water to the tank that is in the front, let alone any other weight.

Good luck, let us know what you do......
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Old 08-31-2009, 12:09 AM   #19
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For what it's worth, and I don't really know how your older Tacoma stacks up to our 07 (the year they got beefed up and the first year of the new Tundra generation) or if it's even "oranges to oranges"...you be the judge. Our Tacoma is a Double Cab TRD V6 Short Bed with factory tow pkg and anti-sway/weight distribution hitch set up. It's rated for #6500. We tow an 06 19' Bambi with a loaded weight of #4500. Our feeling is that we are fine with the Bambi and the Tacoma performs well or us....we might be able to get away with a 20' and maybe 500 more lbs of weight...but beyond that we are fairly certain we'd want a heftier truck. We decided on the Tacoma/19' Bambi combination because the Tacoma is our every day vehicle and our tow vehicle and we didn't want a big truck to feed...yet something up to the task at hand. So far so good and we've towed some pretty steep grades in AZ. Happy trails!
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Old 08-31-2009, 12:53 AM   #20
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OK we are overboard, 22" Safari, 2009 Tundra and the haha. But we feel pretty safe and the ride is smooth. in fact I actually drove +++forward+++++++++++for a little while. go big on your tv. We just fit ours into the garage. getting better at that
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OK we are overboard, 22" Safari, 2009 Tundra and the haha. But we feel pretty safe and the ride is smooth. in fact I actually drove +++forward+++++++++++for a little while. go big on your tv. We just fit ours into the garage. getting better at that
Sounds like a nice set up to me! I love the new Tundras...especially with an AS behind it...
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Old 08-31-2009, 09:58 AM   #22
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Our Ridgeline tows the 22" Safari Sport with no problems so I would assume with the proper set up you could do the same.
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Ahab.. I don't think it is an Apple to Apples comparison of the Ridge and the Tacoma in question. From what I have heard, read, and seen the Ridge is a far better, and more capable TV.
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I had an 04 Tacoma 4 cyl 4WD reg cab that I used to tow a Jayco Jayfeather 165 with. That was a 16 foot box trailer that weighed 2900 lbs empty. I towed it thru the Poconos in NY State with the Tacoma. You have way more power than I had, but another really big problem was the short wheelbase of the truck. A case of the "tail wagging the dog". I now have an 07 Dodge Ram 1500 SLT 4WD with the Hemi & tow pkg w/3.92 rear end. I can't begin to describe the difference in towing ability. That being said, you just might get away with doing it, but you won't be happy with that combination for too long. Makes for a stressfull drive.
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I gotta tell you Stingray, I've always had a desire to hit those runaway truck ramps myself. After your last reply, though, you got me reconsidering that one.
I feel silly asking this, but I guess since I've not yet hit the open road with my trailer I don't really know, are Brakes Standard on Airstreams? Or, more importantly does my 70 Caravanner have brakes? Or, perhaps most importantly should I just get my flashlight and just go outside and have a looksy?

IIRC, all trailers over 1000lbs (I think?) are supposed to have brakes on them. I know of no Airstreams that don't have brakes, but I suppose there might be someone who doesn't have them anymore....from the factory, though, they all had brakes.
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I had a '99 Tacoma and it was a wonderful truck—it was the V6 with a standard transmission. Never towed anything with it. Jazzing up the engine can't hurt in towing, but what is the payload of the Tacoma?

Payload is the issue with 1/2 ton trucks towing midsized Airstreams and it would also be with a smaller pickup like the early Tacomas (the newer ones are just 1st generation Tundras rebadged Tacoma I think) when towing shorter trailers.

Does your Tacoma have a weight distributing hitch receiver? Does it have a tow package?

The Sport models are designed to be lighter for towing with smaller vehicle, but they are also meant more for weekends, especially if boondocking because of limited tank (water, black, grey) capacities and storage.

Are you insane? I can't tell from here.

Would I like to go up a runaway truck ramp? Sure, but with someone else's truck, and I'd like to be long gone when the state patrol or a runaway truck shows up.

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Been there...done dat.

Don't worry...... if you get an Airstream, and your truck won't tow it into your comfort zone you'll end up getting one that will.

IMHO, your Toy is doable, just.
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Gcvr

You may want to check out the GCVR for the Tacoma. I think it is around 7500 lbs (that would include truck, trailer, you, gas, water, and everything else). Your Tacoma probably comes in around 3200 dry (curb) weight which would leave you 4200 for the trailing, contents you and the truck contents. Not a lot of room.

I tow with a small 8cyl Dodge Durango and know that while my specs are good (8700 towing cap), my GCWR is close to the 12000 allowed. It just means that I slow down (a lot), stop sooner (don't rely on the trailer brakes to always work), and generally take it easy.

My advice would be to try it. Just be careful and figure out in advance what to do. If you get an airstream you love, the tow vehicle gets replaced when you decide it isn't safe enough.

Just my 2 cents. Good luck.
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