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Old 12-09-2008, 09:19 PM   #57
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So I would redesign a lot of things—more 12 v. plugs for TPMS, radar detector, cell charger, etc.,

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Old 12-09-2008, 09:25 PM   #58
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Old 12-09-2008, 09:46 PM   #59
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We're not thrilled

We're pulling a 28' Safari SE with a Ford F-150. It has a 5.4L V8, tow package etc etc. It's tow rated at 9300 lbs and the trailer is 7300 loaded so in theory it should be fine. It isn't. We live in the Rockies and the F-150 just isn't enough. It really bogs down on some of the big hills. We plan to upgrade to the F-250 diesel next year.
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Old 12-09-2008, 10:55 PM   #60
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OK, I have to chime in. We love our Hummer H2 as a tow vehicle. We bought it specifically for that purpose, but do occasionally do some light off-roading, too. As a tow vehicle is does better than anything else I have personally towed with (not to say there aren't other great tow vehicles out there). It has a high driving position and a very smooth ride no matter whether the trailer is attached or not. Fuel economy is not as bad as many fear, at least when vacationing - I get 9-12 mpg when pulling depending upon which trailer I pull and get 13-15 mpg touring the countryside when not pulling (but don't expect to get anywhere near those numbers in rush hour traffic).

I have never had even the slightest hint of sway with any of the 4 Airstreams I have pulled with it. I attribute this somewhat to the mass and large tire contact patches, but mostly to the very short rear axle to hitch dimension that makes it as close to a 5th wheel as you can get with a conventional ball hitch (and yes Hensley's and Pullrite's get you closer to a 5th wheel by moving the pivot point even closer to the axle, but this truck doesn't need them).

An H2 is not for everyone, but we love ours and will consider another one if we ever wear this one out. But since it's currently only at 36,000 miles and only a little over 4 years old we've got a long time until that happens.
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Old 12-10-2008, 05:45 AM   #61
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Old 12-10-2008, 07:44 AM   #62
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I am going to retro route in tow vehicles. I purchased a 22' trailer that would work well with my 1990 Jeep Grand Wagoneer. My family has owned some kind of Jeep since the mid-50's so I guess it's in the blood. So far this vehicle handles the trailer fine. It feels stable and stops on a dime but could use better power in the hills. The springs are old school squishy so the trailer rides well.
This winter the engine is going under the knife - it's getting an upgraded performance cam, lifters, springs, fuel injection system and probably a set of Doug Thorley headers. These parts should bring this old low compression smog motor to life.
I know that it would be easier to go out and purchase a new tow vehicle that would get the job done from the factory but would not be nearly as fun as building your own to do the job.
This thread is fun to read and listen to everyone tout their tow vehicle. There are some really nice vehicles manufactured. I shopped vehicles with my father-in-law two weeks ago. It was interesting seeing all the different makes and models. If I had to choose a new tow vehicle it would be a Dodge Ram with a Hemi. Those are some nice looking pickups!
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Old 12-10-2008, 08:00 AM   #63
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We're pulling a 28' Safari SE with a Ford F-150. It has a 5.4L V8, tow package etc etc. It's tow rated at 9300 lbs and the trailer is 7300 loaded so in theory it should be fine. It isn't. We live in the Rockies and the F-150 just isn't enough. It really bogs down on some of the big hills. We plan to upgrade to the F-250 diesel next year.
What axle ratio do you have in that? And what year is your F-150.

Assuming it is a 4X2 reg cab with an automatic. (And not a Harley Davidson F-150)

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Old 12-10-2008, 09:06 AM   #64
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We're pulling a 28' Safari SE with a Ford F-150. It has a 5.4L V8, tow package etc etc. It's tow rated at 9300 lbs and the trailer is 7300 loaded so in theory it should be fine. It isn't. We live in the Rockies and the F-150 just isn't enough. It really bogs down on some of the big hills. We plan to upgrade to the F-250 diesel next year.
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It's a 2004 F-150 XLT 4x4 automatic
5.4L Triton V8
Axel ratio is 3.73
Super Cab - 144" wheel base
It has a towing package and transmission cooler
Ford rates it at 9300 lbs in their towing guide
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Old 12-10-2008, 10:21 AM   #66
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Old 12-10-2008, 05:13 PM   #67
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Jimandrod,

You are spot on.

From the 2004 towing guide.

https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/...ailer_F150.pdf

Not sure what more I could offer to help you out. Assuming your load isn't more than the 7300 pounds, and I would doubt the 28 footer would be more than that, seems like you have the right equipment to do the job.

Only other area would be tire size. So unless you changed rims to a bigger size I assume you have 16s or 17s. Going to a smaller rim size will give you some advantage as far as towing. The adverse effects for you would be speedometer readings because the speedometer is calibrated to the OE rims and tires.

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Old 12-10-2008, 05:31 PM   #68
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Looking at Airstreams website for trailer weights. The latest year listed is 2003. For 2003, the only 28' foot listed is a Classic. It's dry weight is 6760 #'s. The gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) is 8600. Or the total load it was designed to handle based on full tanks and gear. You might want to run your trailer over a scale to confirm what actual load you have, since you have a 2008 and this is data from 2003.

I have a '66 Overlander which is 26' feet. It's fully loaded weight is just shy of 5000 #'s. Since this is my experience I thought a newer trailer might be in the same load range. I guess I errored in my above post.

You may have more load that you think and the truck is doing it's best to carry out your wishes. Moving up in truck size may be just what is needed.

Wish the best to you!

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Old 12-10-2008, 07:01 PM   #69
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Jimandrod,

You are spot on.

From the 2004 towing guide.

https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/...ailer_F150.pdf

Not sure what more I could offer to help you out. Assuming your load isn't more than the 7300 pounds, and I would doubt the 28 footer would be more than that, seems like you have the right equipment to do the job.
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Looking at Airstreams website for trailer weights. The latest year listed is 2003. For 2003, the only 28' foot listed is a Classic. It's dry weight is 6760 #'s. The gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) is 8600. Or the total load it was designed to handle based on full tanks and gear. You might want to run your trailer over a scale to confirm what actual load you have, since you have a 2008 and this is data from 2003.

I have a '66 Overlander which is 26' feet. It's fully loaded weight is just shy of 5000 #'s. Since this is my experience I thought a newer trailer might be in the same load range. I guess I errored in my above post.

You may have more load that you think and the truck is doing it's best to carry out your wishes. Moving up in truck size may be just what is needed.

Wish the best to you!

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No - you didn't really err in your post above - you just didn't have the 2008 data. The specs are on the Airstream website, you just have to dig for them.

Airstream, Inc :: Specifications Specifications

The GVWR is 7300 lbs. The UVW is 5300 lbs (from last years printed brochure) We're actually under the 7300 lbs. We don't have a lot of stuff in there. When we travel with a full water tank we're probably carrying more weight in water than stuff. We also don't haul a lot of toys. On paper, we're within the margin of error so to speak. But... there's a really big factor to take into consideration... elevation. If we tow on flat roads at sea level we'd be golden - no problem. However, we live at 5800 ft and regularly camp at 8,000 to 10,000 feet above sea level. That's eating up our towing capacity. I don't know what the factor is but for every 1000 ft in elevation you sacrifice a certain amount of towing capacity.

Thus, we're going to be in the market for a more powerful truck. Thanks for taking the time to respond - I really appreciate it.

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Old 12-10-2008, 07:37 PM   #70
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When I had my Titan I thought it was a great truck and towed my Classic 25 just fine.

However, after towing with my new Silverado LTZ 2500 CC 4x4 Duramax/Allison I have to change my story. I still think the Titan was a great truck, but the Silverado blows it away towing my Airstream. No comparison!
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