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11-21-2014, 11:38 AM
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Full Time Adventurer
2007 27' International CCD FB
Nomadic
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I'm not sure how those mirrors are even usable in the folded in position. I leave me up all the time. It might be "ghost trailering" but the view they afford, especially with the wide angle mirror on the bottom is better than in the horizontal position.
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11-21-2014, 12:37 PM
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Rivet Master
2005 39' Land Yacht 390 XL 396
Common Sense
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I've forgotten and left mine down when I hooked up, and you can tow the trailer with them down, but you don't have enough view to be safe, IMHO.
I agree it's better with the convex portion on the bottom, but hate the looks of them up when not towing, so I put them down. Also, can't get the truck in the garage with them up.
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11-23-2014, 10:09 AM
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Rivet Master
2013 31' Classic
billings
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I just leave mine down,the convex mirror is on the outside, so you can see very well,we do travel on the skinney 2 lane roads most of the time,and I don't like going down the road looking like a taxi cab with all the doors open ....have you ever seen the mirrors removed completely in down town traffic???.
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11-23-2014, 10:54 AM
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Vintage Kin
Fort Worth
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The mirrors in the "up" or towing position aren't that great and down is fully unacceptable.
And how are those tire pressure numbers decided for the Steer or Drive Axle? I think some of you might review CapriRacers comments on 2009 and later vehicle manufacturer tire pressure spec. If more was better Ram would spec it so. Best quality shocks such Koni FSD would be a better approach, first. Same for poly bar bushings if wheel response is how it is being judged.
Send your WDH scale numbers to RAM for their input. If tires are still under 10% pressure rise after 2hrs driving then it is likely best to leave it alone.
Too low on the TT and too high on the TV is not the way to go.
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11-24-2014, 05:39 AM
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Rivet Master
1995 30' Excella
Bowie
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Our Ram 2500 tows our 30' just fine, with a few minor notes:
1. I can't get the brake controller to lock up the brakes. I don't know if that's intentional, but even with the gain all the way up, I can't get them to lock by hitting the manual slider. This surprised me; maybe it applies the voltage slowly so they don't lock. They are working quite well with the truck's brakes under normal usage. (I know I don't WANT the trailer brakes to lock up, but the usual directions are to increase gain until they lock up, then back off a notch.)
2. It's a touch more squishy than our F-250 was. I assume this is due to the coil spring suspension instead of leaf springs. But I'm already getting used to it, and it's not to the point where it's a safety issue or anything like that. (Our tires are already at 75 psi from the dealer.)
3. The flip-out mirrors work great except that I have to readjust them manually each time.
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11-24-2014, 03:11 PM
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Rivet Master
2015 30' Classic
2012 28' International
Greensboro
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Have the same truck as Skater (above). Really like the coils on the rear for stability and safety. Towed my '12 28' Intl perfectly and expect the same experience when my '15 Classic 30 arrives. Major amount of torque and exhaust braking are fantastic for serious towing.
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11-24-2014, 05:10 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2011 31' Classic
Albemarle
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My 2013 RAM 2500 Laramie 4x4 CC w/6.7L Cummins (leaf springs) tows our 31ft Classic effortlessly and integrated trailer brake controller works fine.
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11-25-2014, 09:37 AM
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Full Time Adventurer
2007 27' International CCD FB
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Those coils are the advantage Ram has over Ford & Chevy. I don't see that changing anytime soon.
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11-25-2014, 11:20 PM
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Yelm
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My 2014 ram 2500 works like a champ. Would just recommend a little extra def if you really plan on doing a long road trip. Towing seems to use that stuff up.
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11-26-2014, 05:53 AM
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Rivet Master
2013 31' Classic
billings
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If the coils are so good why aren't they used on the one tons?. I would say it is a cheaper way.Cdevrolet used coils on their one half ton pickups the late 1960's, and they weren't any good, unless you used it for a car, I do like my leaf springs,
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11-26-2014, 07:29 AM
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Rivet Master
1995 30' Excella
Bowie
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tjdonahoe
If the coils are so good why aren't they used on the one tons?. I would say it is a cheaper way.Cdevrolet used coils on their one half ton pickups the late 1960's, and they weren't any good, unless you used it for a car, I do like my leaf springs,
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A vehicle built in the 1960s is difficult to compare to one built in the 2010s. They're half a century apart.
You may have missed that I posted above that I had a Ford with the leaf springs, and I like the Ram with the coil springs much better; it's a much more comfortable ride (as comfortable as a mid-level car when it's unloaded), and it tows fine. I don't know why they don't have them on the 3500.
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11-26-2014, 07:42 AM
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Rivet Master
2013 31' Classic
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What is the advantage of these coils over the ford or chev leaf spring?? The one ton dodge uses the leaf spring, because it is more stable and has less moving parts. They use coils trying to get a better ride
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11-26-2014, 07:50 AM
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Rivet Master
1972 31' Sovereign
1975 31' Excella 500
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Benton
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And Newer RAM 2500 Owners - Question
Leafs are not better than coils and coils are not better than leafs, they are just different technologies applied to meet a specific end. Coils can ride rough, and leafs can ride soft.
One of the reasons that leafs are used is that in this configuration leafs not only suspend the vehicle, they provide axle attachment without the need for control arms or complex links.
One of the reasons leafs are used in heavier trucks is because it is easier to make them "progressive" over a large load range than coils.
1/2 Ton 4WD Truck, 72 Sovereign Hensley Arrow
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11-26-2014, 07:58 AM
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Rivet Master
Vintage Kin Owner
Lin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tjdonahoe
If the coils are so good why aren't they used on the one tons?. I would say it is a cheaper way.Cdevrolet used coils on their one half ton pickups the late 1960's, and they weren't any good, unless you used it for a car, I do like my leaf springs,
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Ever drive one of those trucks with worn out shocks? Better have your seat belt on!
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11-26-2014, 08:13 AM
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Rivet Master
2013 31' Classic
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Very we'll put there mr. Morgan!!!
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11-29-2014, 08:25 PM
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Tom and Phyllis
2018 30' Flying Cloud
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Tuscaloosa
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I think the front tire pressure depends on how much weight you shift up front using a WD hitch. The door post says 60 and 80, this of course does not plan for any extra weight on the front axle.
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11-29-2014, 08:29 PM
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Tom and Phyllis
2018 30' Flying Cloud
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Good reply, J. Morgan.
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11-29-2014, 08:35 PM
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Tom and Phyllis
2018 30' Flying Cloud
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About the leaf vs coil. . . Somewhere I watched a video showing how the leaf spring has to overcome the friction between the leaves before it will flex. The coil has no friction to overcome so it responds better to road surface variations.
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11-29-2014, 10:14 PM
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Rivet Master
2013 31' Classic
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It depends if you want a car or a truck...
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11-30-2014, 06:16 AM
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Rivet Master
2005 39' Land Yacht 390 XL 396
Common Sense
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucky Tom
I think the front tire pressure depends on how much weight you shift up front using a WD hitch. The door post says 60 and 80, this of course does not plan for any extra weight on the front axle.
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I've learned with the Ram 2500 you really don't need weight distribution for it to drive well pulling the trailer with tire pressures of 60 front, and 80 rear, but mine rides like a buck board because the springs are all the way down on the overloads leafs.
If you setup the weight distribution to get 100% front axle weight restoration, it will ride much better because the rear springs are not all the way down on the overloads, handles like crap at 60F/80R, but handles well at 70F/70R.
A later model with the coil springs I suspect is a horse of a different color.
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