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Old 03-06-2012, 11:39 AM   #1
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Am I damaging my Suburban by towing with it?

I've got a 2010 1/2 ton Suburban WITHOUT the towing package. That means that it didn't come with the factory tranny cooler of 3.42 rear-end. I've added a tranny cooler and that keeps things pretty cool while towing.

I'm hoping that someone might know if I'm actually hurting the 3.08 rear end (or any other systems) by towing my Eddie Bauer. Basically I'm okay with the performance but I don't want to end up stranded on the side of the road because the thing got destroyed while towing.

I don't end up flying down the freeway or over mountain passes but I'd really rather not buy another Suburban right now or spend the $5000 the dealer said it would cost to change the gearing. A pickup's not an option because of the other ways that I use the vehicle.
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Old 03-06-2012, 11:47 AM   #2
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You are pulling around 5200 lbs dry weight. That is a call I would not want to make. I would take it to a mom and pop trailer shop, and get their opinion. I have found that businesses who build, repair and sell trailers for hauling are pretty knowledgebale about what you can tow and cannot. I always take my airstream for towing, brakes or axels to those types of shops.

I am pulling 4500 Lbs dry weight airstream with a ram 1500 4.7L engine. It has a 3.55 rear end and a transmission cooler and worry sometimes myself. Especially when I am going up hills. I feel it in the truck. Gross weight I am right at my limit for towing.

Check the side of your door and maintenance book in you glove box and see what the towing capacity is. It should tell you.

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Your not "hurting" the rear end.....BUT..... I would highly recommend a remote transmission temp guage/filter. The added fluid will also help cool.

Keep track of your weights, don't overload the axles,(trip to the CAT scales in order), weight ratings on a tag drivers door jam. Make sure your not overloading the tires, D rated LT's recommended.

AND....take your time. You'll only know by towing if a change is needed.

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Old 03-06-2012, 12:32 PM   #4
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I concur with Roberts writeup.
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there might be some advantage by changing tires. you can alter the drive ratio by going to a smaller tire with more revolutions per mile. at the same time you'll have to go to a tire with the same or higher load rating. it is worth doing some homework.
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Old 03-06-2012, 12:49 PM   #6
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Okay, there's a CAT scales about 40 miles away in Rice Hill, I can probably make a fun trip out of it with the 4 year old. There's a drive-in there that has fantastic milk shakes and fried pickles.
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Old 03-06-2012, 12:56 PM   #7
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While I cannot concur with the smaller tire recommendation, you must replace the "P" tires that were OEM with LT tires.
We sometimes forget that the weight distribution hitch throws additional weight on all four tires thus exceeding the load rating, especially if your Suburban is loaded down with gear, people, dogs, and cats.
I would be more concerned about tire failure than rear-end failure.
I've know many Airstreamers who are content to go slow and take it easy with an underpowered tow vehicle.
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This sounds familiar. Only numbers will tell the story. And, X2 on trans additions.

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I've got a 2010 1/2 ton Suburban WITHOUT the towing package. That means that it didn't come with the factory tranny cooler of 3.42 rear-end. I've added a tranny cooler and that keeps things pretty cool while towing.
Be sure you check the RPO codes and find out what rear axle you actually have. They can vary for all kinds of reasons and if you don't know for certain that you have a 3.08 then well maybe you lucked out.

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I'm hoping that someone might know if I'm actually hurting the 3.08 rear end (or any other systems) by towing my Eddie Bauer. Basically I'm okay with the performance but I don't want to end up stranded on the side of the road because the thing got destroyed while towing.
Heavy towing is going to be tough on the rear axle no matter which one you have. I have a 10.5" rear with 4.10 gears which by all reports is supposed to be indestructible but which is starting to growl and probably needs at least pinion bearings. My Suburban has around 130,000 miles on it and has been towing all its life. I have no idea for sure what the former owner did with it but I do know that the welds on the hitch were almost broken.

But the thing about rear axles is that they fail gradually and warn you along the way. Listen and you should get several thousand miles advance warning if not more.

What you're doing will also be tough on the transmission and that may not give so much warning. The cooler you've installed will help. Frequent fluid and filter changes will help. But ultimately the friction surfaces of the clutches have limited wear life. They can only shift so many times and then they're done, and if they are carrying 2x the load then they can only shift half as many times. So to some extent you'll shorten your transmission life.

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I don't end up flying down the freeway or over mountain passes but I'd really rather not buy another Suburban right now or spend the $5000 the dealer said it would cost to change the gearing. A pickup's not an option because of the other ways that I use the vehicle.
I understand completely and appreciate the pickle you're in. Usually gear ratio changes aren't worth it, but if you're thinking seriously about that you can check with independent garages. $5000 is high even for a 4wd, and way high for 2wd. You can price out ring and pinion sets on rockauto.com, they have them in your choice of GM or aftermarket. Not something I'd suggest doing yourself but not a dealer-only mod either.

But the thing is that you can repair towing-related damage for that kind of money. I replaced the transmission in my 3/4 ton pickup for around $4000, like you, I'd been towing beyond GM's recommendations (and it had a hard life plowing snow before I got it). The choice is yours but many people conclude that it's cheaper to tow with what they have, even if repairs ultimately become necessary, than to make changes in advance.

Be safe out there and watch the tire and axle maximums, those really do matter.
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@Alumaholic: The tires are not OE but they aren't LTs, they're P tires with an XL with 117 load rating that can handle a maximum of 2833lbs (so sayeth Discount Tire's chart) I do inflate them almost up to max for towing.

@REDNAX: Yep, it's me again.

@Jammer: It's the 3.08, it says so right on the window sticker (I bought the thing new before I got Aluminitis) I'll look into some unaffiliated places. The shop that installed my break controller and tranny cooler can probably recommend one if they don't do it themselves. I've got a couple of little kids and I really don't want to drive it until I break it, also, the wife would probably break me if that happened.
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If you switch your tires to size 245/70/17 LRE it would change your rear ratio at a given speed because the tires are shorter. It would be similar to the 3:42 ratio you want and you would get more capable tires.
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If you switch your tires to size 245/70/17 LRE it would change your rear ratio at a given speed because the tires are shorter. It would be similar to the 3:42 ratio you want and you would get more capable tires.
Interesting idea. What are the downsides to switching tires to a smaller ones, other than the speedo no longer being accurate?
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SlightlysSmaller tires will result in more revs per mile which will throw your speedo off slightly and may effect your mileage (actually could go either way depending on your vehicle and driving habits). other than that it should have no negative effects. most vehicles have an allowable range of tire sizes depending on option packages and you should be well within the safe zone here. BTW the speedo fix is a simple chip reprogram doable by many independent shops or the dealer.The rest of the recommendations in this thread (tranny cooler and guage, LT tires) make huge sense both short term and long term.
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Depending on the tire rolling diameter, there may be calibrations available from GM to recal the shift points and speedo. Have your dealer check their TIS2web download menus for availability for whatever you choose. Also if you change gears, there may be a download as well.
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