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Old 01-23-2014, 02:41 PM   #99
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Even if my insurance premium went up 20% per year, it would still only be a dollar amount that is about equal to a tank or two of gas. For me anyway, that would not be a deal breaker on a vehicle.
The deal breaker for me would be if ford still has a 60k powertrain warranty while GM and Dodge still has their 100k warranty!
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The deal breaker for me would be if ford still has a 60k powertrain warranty while GM and Dodge still has their 100k warranty!
For someone like me, these warranties are kind of a non starter. I keep my vehicles usually 12 to 14 years, and to be honest, over all my 45 years of driving, I have had only a small number of repairs paid for under warranty. Honest truth is, if they would knock another grand off the purchase price, I would tell them to keep their warranty. While it's true that current generation vehicles are more costly than ever to repair, it's also probably true that overall reliability and durability are at an all time high.
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The deal breaker for me would be if ford still has a 60k powertrain warranty while GM and Dodge still has their 100k warranty!
Hi, to me the 100K warranty on GM and Dodge means little because it is only for five years, not ten years like Hyundai and Kia. Therefore, not much if any better than Ford, for the miles most people drive in a year.
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Hi, Ford used aluminum hoods on Lincoln Versailles back in the seventies and some new BMW's have plastic front fenders. I think we are worrying about nothing.
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Robert, national average is now 15k per year. At that figure, Ford is done at 4 years/60k, GM and Dodge are done at 5 years and 75K, and the Koreans are done at 6 2/3 years for the average person. So there is a bit of real world difference. YMMV.
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Robert, national average is now 15k per year. At that figure, Ford is done at 4 years/60k, GM and Dodge are done at 5 years and 75K, and the Koreans are done at 6 2/3 years for the average person. So there is a bit of real world difference. YMMV.

Hi, that's what I mean; For most people the 100,000 mile warranty is just a sales gimmick. My Lincoln just hit 100,000 miles late last year and is about fourteen years old. Maybe miles might be higher [per vehicle] for couples who only have one vehicle. We have two, not counting my 59 Galaxie and my motor scooter.
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But the mileage figure is proportionally high for all mfrs.....but not for everybody. My fleets, for example, run out of miles in a little over 3 years (100,000) miles for example. With Ford, they're done in 2 years.....so it does matter to some, just not all of us. My 14 year old van only has 65K on it, so I get it. But it does matter to some.
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I rolled over 100,000 miles on my 2007 Mercedes ML320 diesel (purchased in October of 2006) before the seven years we're elapsed. I did get quite a few things "replaced" during that time that substantially exceeded the purchase cost of that extended warranty.
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Here's the latest from Ford on the aluminum F-150:

Ford repair shops must be certified to fix aluminum-bodied F-150 | The Detroit News

Quite frankly, I was surprised that 80% of service work was done by shops other than dealerships.
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Here's the latest from Ford on the aluminum F-150:

Ford repair shops must be certified to fix aluminum-bodied F-150 | The Detroit News

Quite frankly, I was surprised that 80% of service work was done by shops other than dealerships.
I think the issue may be a poorly-written article. Since it wouldn't logically matter for powertrain service whether the body panels are made of aluminum, titanium, steel or lead, I'm guessing that these references are to collision repair work rather than mechanical repair, but the article just uses "repair."
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DKB.SATX: That was my take on the article too!
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DKB.SATX: That was my take on the article too!

I read it that way also. My observations have been that very few car dealerships do body work anymore. In the last 20 years or so they have always recommended some independent body shop to me, if I asked about body repair.

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I suppose Ford has leverage over dealers and can require them to become "certified" in repairing F150s.....whatever that means. Probably a combination of some new equipment and some new training for staff. However I can't see what leverage Ford has over any independent body shops. Body repair is almost never a warrantee issue unless it was an instance of faulty paint or assembly from the factory. I'm guessing in 99% of cases it is simply collision repair that Ford has no role in. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act prohibits companies from invalidating a warranty because the consumer had repair work done at an outside shop. If I have my new F150 fender replaced at the independent shop down the street I can't imagine what role Ford would play in that decision. It isn't going to affect the drivetrain warranty.

That said, I suppose that Ford can restrict availability of OEM body parts to its "certified" dealers. But that isn't going to stop the normal aftermarket from popping up, especially if OEM Ford body parts are overpriced. We are in a global market and nothing prevents a local body shop from going online and getting body parts shipped in from anyplace on the globe.
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The off shore parts are not always built to the same specifications. That is a common idea everywhere.
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