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Old 01-21-2014, 02:44 PM   #85
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AUTOWEEK on line just posted a quote from a spokesman for insurance companies that the cost of repairs will be up on the aluminum F-150 along with premiums. A very small percentage of shops are currently certified to do the work on the aluminum Fords.
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Old 01-22-2014, 12:11 AM   #86
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That is not good news. I wonder how much of a deterrent that will be for buyers. Insurance for these high dollar trucks is already a little pricey.
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Ford's perception could take a major hit if too many are seen patched together with rivets in a few years. I would think they would have a strong incentive to subsidize body work. On the other hand, our auto industry can't seem to think past their next fancy grill design so I may be wrong.
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Yes the hidden costs of an aluminum vehicle will keep appearing. I would expect a significant surcharge for the insurance and at an accident, the vehicle goes to the nearest storage yard or body shop, that may not be qualified. Then what, it gets towed some unknown miles to a certified aluminum repair facility and who pays for that?

I would not want to be an early adopter as Ford's leading edge technology has fumbled more then a few times. The light bulb should have showed on the R & D a little longer.
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Perhaps Ford should make available Aluminum and a steel version. Probably too expensive too offer both.
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I thought body repair these days was pretty much all remove and replace, at least where possible (which should be about everywhere in a vehicle with a frame - unibody vehicles are a bigger issue). The surface prep for painting might be different, but otherwise, I'm not clear what would be different for aluminum.

And, if they become popular, more shops will become aluminum proficient. Have you ever noticed how many F-150s are on the road? They're one of the best selling vehicles in the US. Few shops are willingly going to lose that business.
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Old 01-23-2014, 06:16 AM   #91
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Recent quote from Ford...When asked for comment on the matter, a Ford representative told us, "We have designed the new F-150 to be easily repairable in the event of an accident. Ford dealers and independent repair facilities will be qualified to handle repairs. In terms of costs, we expect repair and insurance costs to be competitive with other trucks in the segment."

Read more: Report: 2015 Ford F-150 in for Higher Insurance Rates, Body Shop Costs - Motor Trend WOT
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Because the technology is relatively new, the body shops can raise their prices saying special equipment and training has significantly raised their costs. That shows up as higher premiums on any vehicle that is more difficult to get repaired.
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Those who think this technology is new and are concerned about insurance costs may be interested in this list.

List of Car Manufacturers who use Aluminum Body Panels

You might also want to look at this history of aluminum in automobiles that I preciouisly posted.


history-of-auto-aluminum

Since both of these are by people involved in maintaining aluminum auto bodies, I see now reason to get excited about insurances rates.

My impression is that a significant amount of auto body repair work these days involves replacing panels. It should be about the same for steel or aluminum, with a little extra care not to over heat.

I believe a lot of this excitement is Ford (wisely) hyping this up with the press as something revolutionary in order to get a lot of free advertising.

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I'm guessing the insurance thieves will jack the rates up for the first couple of years because they can, and competition will gradually whittle the rates back down to what they should be.

Considering my insurance rates and the fuel cost on my '07, I'd gladly pay 10% more for my insurance and 5% less for fuel, I'll come out way ahead. I think I'll do better than 5% for my average, too, because except for the occasional highway trip without the trailer, my truck doesn't get that much better dead-heading than towing.
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Those who think this technology is new and are concerned about insurance costs may be interested in this list.

List of Car Manufacturers who use Aluminum Body Panels

You might also want to look at this history of aluminum in automobiles that I previously posted.


history-of-auto-aluminum

Since both of these are by people involved in maintaining aluminum auto bodies, I see no reason to get excited about insurances rates.

My impression is that a significant amount of auto body repair work these days involves replacing panels. It should be about the same for steel or aluminum, with a little extra care not to over heat.

I believe a lot of this excitement is Ford (wisely) hyping this up with the press as something revolutionary in order to get a lot of free advertising.

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Even if my insurance premium went up 20% per year, it would still only be a dollar amount that is about equal to a tank or two of gas. For me anyway, that would not be a deal breaker on a vehicle.
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Even if my insurance premium went up 20% per year, it would still only be a dollar amount that is about equal to a tank or two of gas. For me anyway, that would not be a deal breaker on a vehicle.
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The BMW E60 (5 series) came out in 2003, with a new platform that included a significant amount of aluminum over the previous generation of the same vehicle. BMW had new repair procedures and tolerances, and I recall a lot of discussion about increased repair costs and insurance rates. It all died down. That was over ten years ago. On my 2007 535 it wasn't an issue at all, but I appreciated the lighter weight of the vehicle.

I realize a BMW isn't a pick up truck, but I think the transition to new materials is exactly the same.
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