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Old 01-14-2014, 07:44 PM   #57
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I saw this thread and had to laugh!

We drive a 99 jeep grand Cherokee and a 2003 minivan, no TV yet. We just got our '72 sovereign in late September with plans to have it parked for a couple of years until we are ready to buy a proper TV (cash)
Today, DH walks in the door after work and asks 'will we have cash to buy a truck in 2015?'
You guessed it! He wants this F150!

We better start saving! :-)

I'm afraid of showing him this thread!
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Old 01-14-2014, 07:58 PM   #58
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Aluminum is expensive to make, work with, and repair, so the real world operational costs and associated prices may change the tune in the crowd of potential buyers.

Those with the newer 8,000+ pound 30' and 31' Airstream trailers may find these enhanced hypothetical payloads are still inadequate.

Someday, I hope sooner than later, our Classic model 30 will cross the scales as it's last official Airstream factory activity and I will be interested to see how the real number (without propane in the tanks) compares to the 7,365 pounds in the literature.
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It's a nice looking truck. Just saw this broadcast on the NBC Nightly News...
Aluminum Ford F-150: Is it Ford Tough? - Video on NBCNews.com
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I just posted here a little information about my experience with an aluminum tow vehicle. I think it is a great move for the pick up. Worried a little about what it will do to the price of Aluminum.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...ml#post1403696
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Andrew, I wouldn't worry about the price of Al. The average life cycle of a soda can is only 60 days and very little needs to be produced from bauxite anymore if you trust the History Channel

BTW, I do have a thing for aluminum but are we going to have to wait for Airstream's 100th Anniversary to give carbon fiber a try? It seems like Ford took a big step backwards here using Al.
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Andrew, I wouldn't worry about the price of Al. The average life cycle of a soda can is only 60 days and very little needs to be produced from bauxite anymore if you trust the History Channel

BTW, I do have a thing for aluminum but are we going to have to wait for Airstream's 100th Anniversary to give carbon fiber a try? It seems like Ford took a big step backwards here using Al.
Carbon fiber is still a bit exotic for the level of production Ford needs to support F150 sales numbers. Manufacturers are producing carbon fiber parts much faster and cheaper than just a few years ago, but I don't think they're anywhere near the volume for price that would be needed. Also, while carbon fiber has great strength for its weight, it's a bit brittle. Maybe when RAM does their next redesign they can get Ferrari and Maserati to help them out with some carbon fiber component design, and they can have the first carbon fiber pickup.
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I saw this thread and had to laugh!

We drive a 99 jeep grand Cherokee and a 2003 minivan, no TV yet. We just got our '72 sovereign in late September with plans to have it parked for a couple of years until we are ready to buy a proper TV (cash)
Today, DH walks in the door after work and asks 'will we have cash to buy a truck in 2015?'
You guessed it! He wants this F150!

We better start saving! :-)

I'm afraid of showing him this thread!
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It's much worse than that. On the way home the other day, my wife said, "Have you heard about this aluminum F-150?" I had, from this thread (thank you, everyone), but didn't really pay much attention, since the plan was that we wouldn't be buying any new vehicles until the Accord is paid off in a couple years. She then said, "You know, next year we'll have had the truck for 3 years..." Not that we don't love our truck, but we have that pesky coolant issue, and we either need to get it fixed or replace the truck.

Gulp.

For me it'll all come down to the tow capacities - I estimate our trailer is somewhere in the 10,000 lb range loaded. Playing around on Ford's site yesterday, the only way I could build a truck with an 8' bed was to use their base model that doesn't have a lot of the nicer features we'd want. But if we can work through that issue, and we can get one that has the capacity to tow our trailer, it's possible we could buy one...
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Actually the Maserati Mistral in the mid to late 60s had a beautiful aluminum body. They had dual spark plugs on the straight six so it would not misfire at the redline of 6,000 rpm and throw a rod or worse.
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This is nothing new. Land Rovers have been made with all aluminum bodies since at least 1948.

After spending 10 years working in Alaska on aluminum skiffs that we would absolutely bash the tarnation out of on rocky Alaska shorelines I've come to respect the toughness of Aluminum as a construction material.

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For me it'll all come down to the tow capacities - I estimate our trailer is somewhere in the 10,000 lb range loaded. Playing around on Ford's site yesterday, the only way I could build a truck with an 8' bed was to use their base model that doesn't have a lot of the nicer features we'd want. But if we can work through that issue, and we can get one that has the capacity to tow our trailer, it's possible we could buy one...
This is for the current truck, of course... no guarantees of what configurations Ford will offer for the '15. However, you can build a Supercab with an 8' bed in the XLT trim. Not as nice as a Lariat but not as spartan as the XL at least. If you configure that with the Ecoboost and 3.73 limited-slip diff, you have Max Tow and HD Payload for a very capable "half-ton" but it's LONG. 163" wheelbase, where the F250 Supercab LWB 8' bed model is "only" a 158" wheelbase.
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Carbon fiber is still a bit exotic for the level of production Ford needs to support F150 sales numbers. Manufacturers are producing carbon fiber parts much faster and cheaper than just a few years ago, but I don't think they're anywhere near the volume for price that would be needed. Also, while carbon fiber has great strength for its weight, it's a bit brittle. Maybe when RAM does their next redesign they can get Ferrari and Maserati to help them out with some carbon fiber component design, and they can have the first carbon fiber pickup.
DKB_SATX, I wasn't knocking ford or even thinking about them actually. I was hoping AS would eventually move on to the next best thing.

My point was that a company like AS which is in my opinion a top-of-the-line TT should love to find a super strong/light material that has proven itself. There's even the possibility of fully embedding solar cells into the structure of carbon fiber. Can anyone think of a better/safer platform to figure out the technology on than a simple camper?
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Speaking of wives. I mentioned the new F150 to my wife. We've had the AS for almost 3 years but it's only used as a place where I can go to compose and write (and do man stuff away from the apartment on a slice of land a couple hours away) She visits some times in good weather. It's on blocks 'cuz she does'ent like the "squeeking" and to save the tires.
As I've only got my beloved Ford Ranger (4cyl/manual every thing) there's no way I could pull the Safari.
She offered to buy me the new F150 if I quit smoking!!! WTH?!
Now THAT is incentive.
Regarding the strength of Aluminum....As Texasdriver mentioned, you can beat the heck out of good/well supported aluminum and its good. I know this because I've run big boats that are steel hull with Aluminum Superstructure and have had green water (massive waves) come crashing over the boat in the middle of the ocean.
The AS is parked in a barn only a mile from the Alcoa plant and I see the ships come in and unload "product" (Bauxite? etc.) and except for a slight haze dust from off loading it's a very clean operation.
Damb, I'm going to miss those smokes!
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Here is an interesting short article about the history of aluminum bodied cars.

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I had to look at the title to this thread twice because this truck resembles a Toyota Tundra. Does anyone else see the resemblance?
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