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Old 11-20-2014, 10:23 AM   #43
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Thanks Paul that is good info. It will be interesting to see how the mileage works out. The Ecoboost so far seems to be beating out my Dmax by a mile or two a gallon in "normal" driving. Towing certainly may well be different. I typically got 12/13 mpg towing with the diesel, I expect to have results more like yours with the V6. However, around here, gas is cheaper than diesel and certainly the maintainence costs are less so that will help to make up for it. I'm still saddled for a couple more years to the cube, so it will be a bit before I log higher numbers towing - which I am very much looking forward too! I am looking forward to dragging the trailer out to western MD and giving the truck a workout (at least as much as it gets back east). I loved my Dmax, but the main thing I miss is the sound LOL. However, that said, I also in enjoy the quiet of the F150. It's much quieter than my Honda Accord Coupe that I do my 100 mile RT commute in everyday. Also, even though the Silverado 3/4 ton truck rode pretty well (especially after I put Bilsteins on it), the handling was kludgy. The F150 is like driving a sports care in comparison. I can't believe the legroom in the back of the SCREW. It will be great for folks on longer trips, towing or not. My 19 Year Old who grew up driving the Dmax to high school everyday (the boys were jealous LOL), can't wait to get her hands on the new fancy-shmansy truck when she comes home from college on Friday for Thanksgiving. Even though she has a late model Civic of her own at home, she informed me that she will be driving the "new" truck during her break LOL.
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Old 11-20-2014, 10:35 AM   #44
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What does the yellow sticker on the door show for your payload?
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Old 11-20-2014, 10:38 AM   #45
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Old 11-20-2014, 10:50 AM   #46
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Alot of people never even consider a brand new truck and only shop the preowned lot.Dealers are well aware of this and quite often you can buy a brand new truck for the same price (or less) than a used one.Lots of incentives available.But low inventories nationwide on the old body F150's make negotiating harder.The new F150 will be a big improvement but I would wait at least a year for them to work out the bugs,and there will be some with this one.
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Old 11-20-2014, 10:57 AM   #47
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I don't have the truck here at work, but on Fords Spec Sheet for that model/equipment it's 1,900. That is one reason I wanted the Max Tow package as it bumps it up a couple of hundred pounds. I think mostly via equipment, not heavier springs. But 1,900 gives us a nice cushion with the stuff we tend to carry. Although I am really working on cutting that back.

BTW, for myself, I didn't want to get the Max Payload option as you have to go to the longer frame, I wanted to stay shorter for ease of handling in tight campgrounds - the SCREW is long enough! Of course with the Max Payload, you also get a heavier frame and some other bump ups so it winds up a bit like a Super Duty Light (2310 with the SCREW). Funny it drops to 1,300 with the "Limited" package. on the 145" wb. I wonder if they put lighter springs on that truck for better ride, I can't believe it has that much more equpiment than the KR or the Platinum?
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Old 11-20-2014, 11:03 AM   #48
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Mo, you are right, some of the late models cost almost as much as you pay for a new one. But the problem is, when you are shopping for Max Tow, Max Payload etc. most dealers don't keep those on the lot, especially now with the 2014 inventory start to run down. I know, because I shopped around pretty hard as I usually do. The first place I started was looking a new 2014's and the salesman said good luck if you want Max Tow, most of those are "ordered" trucks. It's funny that dealers don't stock a few. But most salesmen and even less of the general RVing public seem to really give consideration to GVWR etc.

I am very happy with the deal I got on my 2012. Finding a Max Tow is hard, finding a Max Tow Platinum package is even harder, although I would have been ok with an XLT if it had leather. But I don't mind the extra bells an whistles that I got with my truck. I always wanted a pickup with a sunroof, now I have one, to back is freaking freezing out right now!
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Old 11-20-2014, 12:05 PM   #49
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I had an opportunity to drive a 2015 F-150 a few weeks ago during a Ford-sponsored roadshow event. I was VERY impressed with the new truck. So impressed, in fact, that I ordered a 2015 Platinum (SuperCrew, Ecoboost, Max Tow, 6.5 bed) to replace my 2013 Platinum of the same spec. The creature comforts, tech features, and drivability have all taken big leaps forward with the 2015 -- it really drives more like a large luxury SUV than a pickup truck.

The dealer just called to let me know that he has received the payload and tow capacity specs for my new truck, and they are 2,070 and 11,700, respectively. That gives me 580 additional pounds of payload over my 2013 Platinum...exactly what I need.

I suspect that the 2015 is going to be a very popular TV choice among Airstreamers, as it now strikes a very nice balance between having ample available payload, and the daily-drivability of a half-ton pickup.

Side note: the dealer also told me Ford is processing hundreds of orders per hour for the 2015 trucks, so he still cannot quote a firm delivery date for me.
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My dealer told me that the Ford Super Duties will all go to Aluminum in 2016 model year.
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Mo, you are right, some of the late models cost almost as much as you pay for a new one. But the problem is, when you are shopping for Max Tow, Max Payload etc. most dealers don't keep those on the lot, especially now with the 2014 inventory start to run down. I know, because I shopped around pretty hard as I usually do. The first place I started was looking a new 2014's and the salesman said good luck if you want Max Tow, most of those are "ordered" trucks. It's funny that dealers don't stock a few. But most salesmen and even less of the general RVing public seem to really give consideration to GVWR etc.

I am very happy with the deal I got on my 2012. Finding a Max Tow is hard, finding a Max Tow Platinum package is even harder, although I would have been ok with an XLT if it had leather. But I don't mind the extra bells an whistles that I got with my truck. I always wanted a pickup with a sunroof, now I have one, to back is freaking freezing out right now!
Most of the people at the dealerships including the salespeople and the managers that do the ordering of the inventory have no experience in towing.It is reflected in the inventory that they have in stock.Wrong gear ratio's,wrong payload packages no Max Tow etc ....Unfortunately most of the customers coming thru their door are looking for guidance from them. That is why you see people on this forum using the wrong truck configuration to pull their Airstream.It is sad.

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Most of the people at the dealerships including the salespeople and the managers that do the ordering of the inventory have no experience in towing.It is reflected in the inventory that they have in stock.Wrong gear ratio's,wrong payload packages no Max Tow etc ....Unfortunately most of the customers coming thru their door are looking for guidance from them. That is why you see people on this forum using the wrong truck configuration to pull their Airstream.It is sad.

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"Most" is a big word. I wouldn't argue with your assessment of the sales and management staff, but where you miss the boat here is in assuming that most customers are looking for guidance on towing or payload, or are ever going to do anything with those capabilities of the truck.

We who tow with our trucks and often put a load in the cargo bed while we're doing it are the minority among modern pickup drivers, at least in urban and suburban areas. Most pickup owners around my neighborhood mostly use their trucks to drive to a white- or pale-blue-collar job that doesn't require anything more of the truck than it would of a Ford Fiesta, which is why there are so many half-tons out there with low-numeric gears loaded to the gills with fancy heavy options.

When I was buying my '07 (used, 4 years ago) I had to do a fair amount of work to find a useful axle ratio in limited-slip or locker. There were LOADS of used highway-commuter trucks on the lots, with low-numeric one-wheel-drive open diffs and the little V8 though. When I was signing the paperwork, the sales guy was telling me how much he loved his Superduty with the Powerstroke. I asked him what he towed or hauled with it, and he was actually confused for a moment and then said he didn't to anything like that, he just used it to drive to work and such. Oy.
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When I was signing the paperwork, the sales guy was telling me how much he loved his Superduty with the Powerstroke. I asked him what he towed or hauled with it, and he was actually confused for a moment and then said he didn't to anything like that, he just used it to drive to work and such.
I am not surprised at that.

I have several friends that never haul anything in their trucks. A former neighbor washed and cared for the truck bed just as well as the bodywork. I don't think he is representative of many 1/2 and 3/4 ton trucks on the road today, but many folks don't use a truck as a "truck". Nothing wrong with a truck as a daily driver, but the mass presumption that all trucks are used to haul or tow is not accurate in my experience. Some folks like driving pickup trucks, self included though mine are used for work and play. The 97 has 325K on the odometer, the 03 is at 246K and neither has lead a pampered life.

My personal take on the aluminum bodied F-150 is that this is the future of the automotive industry. Aluminum and other alloys are commonly used in production components and its use in body panels is to be expected in my opinion. Plastic body panels are common, so why is aluminum considered "risky"? I never expected to see a factory aluminum driveshaft in my F-150.

If I was in the market I would not hesitate to consider the AL bodied F-150. I will be interested to see how this market progresses.
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I think you'll enjoy the Ecoboost. I traded my 07 F250 4x4 w/ 6.0 diesel in for a 2011 Ecoboost Crew Cab 4x4 w/ max tow. While the 07 was a wonderful truck for the 160,000 miles I had it the Ecoboost was a joy to drive and tow with. We typically use our 25' CCD and we load it heavy. The Ecoboost had no problems towing it over Colorado/ New Mexico mountain passes and I even had the opportunity to tow a 34' with it. It never whimpered. Just good strong power with very little downshifting. We put 80,000 miles on it, 30,000 was towing with no issues. We made the mistake of looking at a new Platinum Crew Cab 4x4 back in March that was also equipped with the Max Tow and ended up trading the 2011 in for that truck.

Currently the Platinum has 23,000 miles on it, 9,000 of it towing. The only negative that I can say is two things:

1. Towing mileage is typically right at 8-9 though I have seen some stretches in the 11-12 range if there is no wind. Reducing speed doesn't seem to help - it likes the 65-67 mph zone. This was true for both trucks. Also, window sticker mpg was very optimistic - running empty we are usually at 18.5 -19.

2. Engine braking on long grades such as coming off Monarch Pass in Colorado or Slumgullion Pass is poor compared to all of my previous vehicles. I guess this is just a factor of the small 3.5L displacement. You wind up braking quite a bit.

Other than that we love the truck - especially the comforts of the Platinum.
Paul- Amen...same experience with ours! I am anxious to hear stories about the new one but I also want an 8 speed before I sell our Platinum....
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When coming down hills did you put it into tow haul mode? I have found that by using tow haul mode very little braking is required.
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Sorry, I asked this question before but when you are ordering a vehicle do you pay MSRP or can you negotiate the price? Vehicles sitting on dealers lots must accrue finance charges so is the dealer more likely to have more room to negotiate? Also given the options you choose can they tell you the range of expected payload?

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