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Old 11-12-2014, 02:40 PM   #15
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Hi from AZ. . . As with the '14 Ram 1500 diesels, the discounts/rebates were half of the other models, if you could find a discount at all, so I expect that will be the case for a while with the '15 F150s. As my Daddy told me, never buy the 1st year of ANY model, let them get the kinks out first. Still sound advice, IMO. regards, Craig
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Old 11-12-2014, 03:59 PM   #16
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I had a 1965 Land Rover 88 and it was an all aluminum body. No worries about rust, but it sure dented easily when you side swiped a tree. I drove my Rover all through college and traded it in on my first 4-Wheel drive pickup, a 1968 Chevy, a much better rig. I assume Ford will use the same kind of paint that they use on aluminum skinned planes. Should make for an interesting new pickup.
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Old 11-12-2014, 04:07 PM   #17
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You'd have to assume that Ford will use a thicker aluminum than the steel that they have been using to maintain a similar dent resistance, but there are other problems associated with aluminum over steel, and the one that's glaring to me is abrasion resistance. A loose fitting in steel is usually not a big deal, but a loose fitting in aluminum will over time with normal road vibrations, eat it's way thru the aluminum. I trust the Ford engineers have addressed this issue.

Hey, maybe our empty beer cans will be worth more money in the future.....save enough of them, and build a new F150!
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Old 11-12-2014, 04:49 PM   #18
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I wish there would be a "naked" version- no paint, but clearcoat. That would look cool.
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Old 11-12-2014, 04:52 PM   #19
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I wish there would be a "naked" version- no paint, but clearcoat. That would look cool.
Imagine the filiform you would get on the hood! The Ingot Silver color looks close to raw aluminum.
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Maybe you city guys will get along OK with an Al body truck, but out here in the country it ain't gonna work.

I've owned 3 Al airplanes and several cars with Al body sections, and I can tell you they do not wear well on the streets and country roads (gravel) out here.

Mercedes had Al trunk lids back in the '60s. If you leaned on it, shut the trunk with you hand on the top of it , or slamed it a little too hard, you had a big old dent.

I guess you will have to put rock guards all around your new truck to keep it nice.
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Old 11-12-2014, 05:20 PM   #21
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The big question in my mind is will the all AL bodies be as resistant to dings and dents as in the past.
I wonder if you just go to the Ford parts counter and buy a new $1200 fender.
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Maybe you city guys will get along OK with an Al body truck, but out here in the country it ain't gonna work.

I've owned 3 Al airplanes and several cars with Al body sections, and I can tell you they do not wear well on the streets and country roads (gravel) out here.

Mercedes had Al trunk lids back in the '60s. If you leaned on it, shut the trunk with you hand on the top of it , or slamed it a little too hard, you had a big old dent.

I guess you will have to put rock guards all around your new truck to keep it nice.
You can't seriously think that Ford has built these with only "city guys" in mind, can you? They built some largish number of previous-gen trucks with body panels in the particular aluminum they're using to stealthily test them out in the field in real use to see how it performs. Their marketing materials refer to it as a "military-grade" alloy, whatever that means.

"Regular" people driving them at Ford's driving road show events and posting about it on the F150 forums have been banging on body panels and reporting them to "feel tougher" than the previous-gen steel panels, for whatever that's worth.
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It'll be fascinating to see how the all AL body plays out. It's certainly a risk for Ford. I'm a little surprised they switched over completely all at once, perhaps a phase-in with AL as an option in year one might have worked.

It may pay off big-time; it may turn out to be the Edsel 2. We'll know in 6-8 months.
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I read an article that stated Ford has had aluminum F150s in circulation for awhile in various industries (in leased fleets) for testing and the results have been very good.


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It is quite possible that Ford is using upgraded aluminum alloys compared to '60s vintage Mercedes vehicles... And, duly noted, I'm pretty sure Ford expects this truck to be used as a truck in many contexts - city, suburban and rural. Planes are still mostly made out of aluminum alloys, aren't they? And the modern plane fuselages are not made out of steel now, aren't they made of carbon laminates?
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Maybe you city guys will get along OK with an Al body truck, but out here in the country it ain't gonna work.

I've owned 3 Al airplanes and several cars with Al body sections, and I can tell you they do not wear well on the streets and country roads (gravel) out here.

Mercedes had Al trunk lids back in the '60s. If you leaned on it, shut the trunk with you hand on the top of it , or slamed it a little too hard, you had a big old dent.

I guess you will have to put rock guards all around your new truck to keep it nice.
And that's Dodge's thinking in sticking with steel. These customers.

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You can't seriously think that Ford has built these with only "city guys" in mind, can you? They built some largish number of previous-gen trucks with body panels in the particular aluminum they're using to stealthily test them out in the field in real use to see how it performs. Their MARKETING materials refer to it as a "military-grade" alloy, whatever that means.
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KEY WORD, MARKETING.

No one goes around calling the internet military grade, but you could argue that. Military grade is just marketing BS designed to make you think it's some how more tough or better.
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I have a 97 Dodge dually. When the bed got restyled ( don't ask). I put a aluminum flat bed on it. I never weighed either one but the flat bed is certainly lighter. My truck doesn't ride nearly as good as it did with the original bed. Rear end is much lighter.
Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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I have read a couple of articles in the past few years where It has been said that Ford believes that the cost of a diesel in the F-150 both in terms of initial cost of the engine upgrade, maintenance and additional cost of the fuel makes the diesel unlikely. Now that Ram has one perhaps that will put market pressure on Ford to reconsider.

The other thing that pops into my head about aluminum is that Ford has probably absorbed a lot of knowledge on the use of aluminum in body panels from their ownership of Land Rover before they spun the company off. Rovers have had aluminum body panels forever! True they used steel for parts of the body but things like paint should be nothing new... I believe that the hood on my 2010 F-150 is aluminum already. no paint problems there...

Lastly, at some point (probably in a couple of years?) they will switch to the 10 speed transmissions GM and Ford are co developing. That is when I will become tempted to step in.

Should be fun to watch this develop in the mean time.
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