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Old 11-10-2007, 09:12 PM   #29
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For Krying out loud!

Where is the real 2AIR avatar that we all know and cherish?
I will never accept this insidious Krap
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Old 11-10-2007, 09:19 PM   #30
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oh-k dennis...

you are messing with the K....

it's a game day thang, don't ya know?

rock chalk jaaaaaaaaayhawk, kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkU!

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Old 11-11-2007, 10:42 PM   #31
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Exclamation Oh! Oh!

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oh-k dennis...

you are messing with the K....

it's a game day thang, don't ya know?

rock chalk jaaaaaaaaayhawk, kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkU!

2air'

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Oh! OK. Thats Kool. Uh, whats a Jayhawk Dok?
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Old 11-12-2007, 07:42 AM   #32
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Lot of great info in the preceeding posts. I prefer 4WD. Needed for getting where I want to be, added bonus you can get stuck further from home.
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:33 AM   #33
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We live at 4600' and can get a little snow in the winter. I do volunteer work which often takes us into remote desert/forest areas. A 4x4 is a must for us.
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:44 AM   #34
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To be honest when towing I use 4x4 very little. However the time i spend in Michigan and colorado is significant. Need I say more?
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Old 11-12-2007, 10:39 AM   #35
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Living in southeastern Ohio, hills, valleys, and unimproved roads plus a driveway that rises 70' from bottom to top means we use a 4 wheel drive vehicle as the first one out in the winter. The front wheel drive can usually make it up the hill once the 4x4 had cut a path. When we know snow is coming, we park both vehicles at the top of the hill - no sense in making it tougher on ourselves. For towing, we seldom use the 4 wheel drive BUT it is there should we need it and I'd much rather have it and not need it that to need it and not have it. Wet grass, gravel, and slight inclines can all be reasons for needing it. My last auto (audi quattro) was 4 wheel drive all the time and I loved it. I traded it for the new TV which is 2 wheel drive unless I flip the switch making it a 4 wheel drive. I've not done it very often but with winter on its way, I know it's there when I need it. Also, if I get in a tough position while towing, I also know it's there. I like having it!! I'll not be without it!! Much of it is personal preference, however. Good luck with your decision.
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Old 11-24-2007, 01:39 AM   #36
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My 2 cts...Why limit yourself? If you only use yoru TV for towing, ok, but do you ever use it for the pleasure of 4 wheeling?
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:34 AM   #37
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Just a couple of thoughts on 4WD.

If you have rear wheel drive and need more traction to get into a campsite or out of a snow convered side street let the torsion bars down to the end link or remove them completelsy and you will have an extra 1000 pounds or so on your drive wheels. Don't drive at highway speeds that way.

Some 4 Wheel Drive vehicles come with straight front axles which create a higher centre of gravity on the vehicle less front suspension travel narrower suspension stance, less steering feel etc. Every vehicle segment has a product with the far superior independent front suspension. Some segments have 4 wheel independent suspension which is that much better again.

We have several vehicles and get our share of winter and tow in all conditions and most are two wheel drive and do fine. I can call a tow truck a couple of times a year and still be hundreds ahead on the cost of operating a 4x4. However the 3/4 ton truck we have for towing fifth wheels is useless in the snow without a fifth wheel on it. Our 1500 2WD Suburban is will go through almost as much as the HD in 4x4.

The other huge difference is tires, my 300C came with a poor tire and it was useless in snow but I blamed getting back into a rear drive car again after years of front drives. After a while I changed the tires to BF Goodrich KDWS all seasons and it was a different car in the snow and though still not as good as the front drive vehicles it is vastly improved.

For some reason the 235/85 16 tires that used to be common were just awful for traction no matter what brand they were, changing them to 245/75's gives far more traction.

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Old 11-24-2007, 07:29 AM   #38
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When I live in a place where the police and sheriff's department have to use 4WD to do their jobs, then it'll be worth it. As to a dedicated tow vehicle, no way.
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Old 11-24-2007, 08:50 AM   #39
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I live on the side of a mountain a few hundred feet above the city. When I moved up here I noticed that most of the people in the neighborhood had 4X4s so I planned to get one when it came time to trade vehicles. At the time I had a Lincoln Town Car and a Chevy 1/2ton diesel. That was more than 16 years ago and I still have my 2X4s. There have been a handful of times during those years that I would have liked a 4X4 but overall I am not sorry for my decision. When the Town Car had to be retired I replaced it with a Lincoln Continental with front wheel drive. It has been perfect for my needs. As for my tow vehicles, in the nearly 25 years I've been towing I've never been stuck with the AS.

Perhaps my decision to stay with the 2X4s stems from some very unhappy memories from 45 years ago when I had to use a Jeep to do my Nebraska mail route in bad weather. I grew to hate that Jeep! Seems every time I used it it had to have repairs. The Jeep was no longer needed after I bought my first VW Beetle in 1962. The VW would go over any road the Jeep would (of course, off-road was a different story).

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Old 11-24-2007, 02:02 PM   #40
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why I like 4x4

We bought our first (and probably only) trailer 2 years ago. We quickly bought our 4x4 F250 because we spend a lot of time in Colorado with it. We've used the 4x4 a lot when unhitched and exploring the back roads- a big plus.

I've used it to pull one of my contractors Chevy truck out of my rain-softened back yard.

With the trailer, it lets us go places we couldn't go otherwise. We will NEVER camp in those line-em-up-close pack-em-in-tight commercial campgrounds - a state park is as close to that as we come.

These two pics show just two of the numerous times we've been glad to have it: in the sand at Padre Island National Seashore, and our driveway in Colorado (average 10% grade, but some 15%). Both MUST HAVE 4x4.
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Old 11-24-2007, 05:57 PM   #41
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Today we were parked on a pullout in Arizona to eat lunch. The ground was sand/gravel and to get back on the highway there was a bit of a hill. Traffic was coming around a curve about 100 yards from me at about 70 mph. I sure wanted to get on that highway fast and not have my drive wheels spin. Presto: 4WD made me a lot less nervous, no spin and onto highway quickly (no, I didn't hit the pavement at 65). Another reason for 4WD.

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