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Old 10-19-2019, 07:40 AM   #41
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Addressing Joe's original question, I found a nice used gas 2500 using CarMax within a week of looking. They ship it to you, do a preflight check, and offer a great warranty with no car salesman hassle.
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Old 10-21-2019, 06:17 AM   #42
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This has been a great thread I enjoyed reading all the comments and input everyone had. Just an update after looking at several used Gas powered trucks that did not check all the boxes we decided to go with the diesel. We are picking up the 2500 Chevy Silverado High Country tonight. Thank you for all the great input.
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No regrets

We use to run with a gas engine pickup camper combination along with a trailer and 4 wheeler in tow. We switched to a 1 ton Duramax and have never looked back in terms of comfort, capability, and safety.

Your new 2500 Chevy Silverado High Country will make you very happy. We are looking for a 27' to 30' Airstream trailer right now and would never consider down sizing from the 1 ton Duramax setup.
Enjoy. Happy trails.
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Who can afford to tow at 8-10 mpg?
I tow a 25 ft with a Ram 1500 ecodiesel and get 14-15 mpg and it leaves enough for dinner money
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Just a sanity check. People tend to say what wonderful mileage they get on their diesels, compared with gas. But, from what I can see, for years diesel fuel has cost more than 25% more than regular gas(which my truck uses) and often more than 40% more. Then there is DEF although I do not know the cost. I don't see any fuel mileage numbers that make these diesel reports come out ahead in total fuel cost. I tow a loaded 25 and the worst I get is 10 mpg uphill against the wind, the best I get is 13 mpg, both measured over the course of a fuel fill. My friends with diesels seem to report about 20% better fuel mileage. I don't see fuel, first cost, or maintenance cost benefits with a diesel. Low end torque and power, sure, if you need or want it.
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Old 10-21-2019, 03:31 PM   #46
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I was able to break even on the $3000 cost of the diesel option on my ML 350 after 28,000 tow miles. For my Ram with Cummins it will take about 90,000 tow miles to break even on the $9000 option.
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Just a sanity check. People tend to say what wonderful mileage they get on their diesels, compared with gas. But, from what I can see, for years diesel fuel has cost more than 25% more than regular gas(which my truck uses) and often more than 40% more. Then there is DEF although I do not know the cost. I don't see any fuel mileage numbers that make these diesel reports come out ahead in total fuel cost. I tow a loaded 25 and the worst I get is 10 mpg uphill against the wind, the best I get is 13 mpg, both measured over the course of a fuel fill. My friends with diesels seem to report about 20% better fuel mileage. I don't see fuel, first cost, or maintenance cost benefits with a diesel. Low end torque and power, sure, if you need or want it.
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Energy wise, diesel has about 10 to 15% more energy than gas. How much depends a bit on what's in the gas (how much ethanol, which has lower energy content) and what's in the diesel. Past that, an enormous lot depends on exactly what engine / drivetrain is being used.

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Energy wise, diesel has about 10 to 15% more energy than gas. How much depends a bit on what's in the gas (how much ethanol, which has lower energy content) and what's in the diesel. Past that, an enormous lot depends on exactly what engine / drivetrain is being used.

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Your point, Bob?

Boy this is a lot of hair-splitting.
Most of us run our trucks for several years and at the end of the day it comes down to personal preference.
I love my diesel for the raw power of the diesel with the 920 ftlbs torque.
I also spent 40 years in construction with nothing but diesels. I would run my Macks 750 k miles rebuild the engines and run them another 500. My twisted concept of gasers is that they are puny in comparison. Nothing could be further from the truth however.
In a long ago sane world before the econazis took control of dictating policy diesel fuel was 20 percent cheaper simply because it cost less to produce. Gasoline also had higher octane rating before we started mixing it with ethanol.
In a short period ownership gaser will come in costing less. Diesel will win out in the long term.
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That only about 10 to 15% of the savings comes from the fuel it's self. Anything past that is a truck to truck difference. Equip the two trucks the same way and you will narrow down any difference past the 15% level. If people are seeing 25% , then 10% of that is the truck and not the fuel. ( = you could change the truck).

Indeed there alway is the possibility that the numbers were not collected under the same conditions or in an accurate manner......I sort of though that went without saying, but that may be a poor assumption. When you start getting down to <5% on fuel milage numbers, a lot of factors could be getting into the mix.

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We are looking for a 2500 TV Chevy Ford or Dodge.
I prefer a Gas truck but having trouble finding a GAS in the higher trim levels.
Not sure the premium being paid for the Diesel is worth the extra costs of the truck plus the ongoing higher fuel cost.

However a local dealer is offering a great deal on a new 2019 LTZ Duramax.
Trucks that are 2 years older are the same price that is being offered.

I am able to find more RAM 2500 in Gas / Hemi pre owned in my area
not wanting to go older then 2017.

All input welcome
..better deal on a new ram...6.7 cummmins....never look back
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Boy this is a lot of hair-splitting.

Diesel will win out in the long term.
In the long term, electricity will win. The days of ICE vehicles are numbered.

Counting down to November and the Tesla pick up truck reveal.


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In the long term, electricity will win. The days of ICE vehicles are numbered.

Counting down to November and the Tesla pick up truck reveal.


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I cannot even begin to comprehend the size of a battery that will allow a 350 mile range towing 10,000.

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Who can afford to tow at 8-10 mpg?
I tow a 25 ft with a Ram 1500 ecodiesel and get 14-15 mpg and it leaves enough for dinner money
You have an AS, money is no object.
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Any of the diesels are great for towing. I have owned GMC and now own Ford diesel. Problem is the electronics they are putting in these vehicles. I had three electronic modules fail within one year on my GMC duramax (yes, out of warranty) at a cost of $4K. Engine only had 60K miles. Don't know who has most reliable electronics these days but engine life is not problem, electronic module life is problem.
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We pull our 25' with a 2016 F250 diesel. Absolutely no issues, barely know it's behind us... not hard to find diesel.
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Old 10-23-2019, 12:11 PM   #59
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Diesel Cost?

We just finished a 6,000 mile trip and with few exceptions diesel was less than .10 a gallon more than gas prices...not 20%. Once or twice it was actually cheaper than gas.

But, yesterday here in Napa, CA diesel was $.40 a GALLON cheaper than regular gas. Now, our gas prices are crazy right now, $4.39 a gallon, but we are happy to drive the diesel at $3.89 a gallon.
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I live on the east coast. Diesel is usually 40-80 cents higher than gasoline. Yesterday when I filled up diesel was .55 cents higher...Gasoline was $2.19.
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