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Old 01-04-2016, 02:19 PM   #1
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2016 Ford F150 vs F250

Just looked at an Ford F150 XLT extended cab with 5 L engine and the comparable F250 with 6.2 L engine. F150 had a cargo capacity of 2000 lbs, F250 2900. What do you think about the capabilities of the F150 for towing a 25 or 27' AS? It has the payload capacity but what about the 5 L engine? The attractive part of the F150 would be its gas mileage for daily driving. Coincidentally sticker price if around 44,000 for each.
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Old 01-04-2016, 02:21 PM   #2
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Would recommend EcoBoost V6 rather than 5L.
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as someone said already, 3.5l ecoboost is the best engin in my opinion. you will get better mpg when not towing and when towing...you will have a lot of power and torque.


as for towing ability, it s a personal choice. Not everyone is comfortable towing with the same vehicle. I personally think the F150 can tow any airstream in the line-up without any issue. But some people feel like they need a heavy-duty to tow at 23 or 25 etc.
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Old 01-09-2016, 08:52 AM   #4
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I believe the 5-liter is rated to tow the max GVWR of the Airstreams you mention (7600 lbs.). You seem to have cargo capacity covered, although don't rely on what's published for your particular truck/engine/cab combination. Those numbers are always high. Instead, rely on the yellow sticker that's on the driver side door frame of the particular truck you're considering. That reflects the exact equipment on that vehicle (power seats, sun roof, skid plates, bigger fuel tank all reduce cargo capacity). Also, be sure the truck you're considering has a "towing package," which includes extra cooling for engine and transmission. Rear exile ratios also affect towing capacity. I would want at least a 3.73 with the Ford 6-speed. Assuming all that's right, the 5 liter will do the job but will be pretty busy on grades. The Ecoboost may actually use a bit more fuel towing, but has a more favorable torque curve and will be turning lower rpm than the 5 liter. The 6.2 in the 250 would be my last choice. The 250 is a much heavier vehicle than the 150, so any power advantage over the 5 liter is going to be used up pulling more weight (and burning more fuel). The 6.2 is older tech and is pretty thirsty, even in the 150 (the "Raptor" has the 6.2 engine).
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5 litre is small ,maybe a small trailer.
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Old 01-09-2016, 09:25 AM   #6
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The principal advantage of the F-250 over the F-150 is the superb diesel engine available on the F-250. If you are not interested in the diesel on the F-250 then I would get the F-150 with the 3.5 liter Ecoboost. The F-150 3.5 liter Ecoboost is a wonderful tow vehicle for a 25 & 27 foot Airstream. Don't get the 5 liter, you will be disappointed in it's performance while towing and also around town when not towing.
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We are new owners of both a 27FB and an F150 with 3.5 liter Ecoboost and we're really pleased with how it tows so far. Probably goes without saying, but make sure you get the tow package when you buy. Tow/haul mode is a nice assist.
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Just looked at an Ford F150 XLT extended cab with 5 L engine and the comparable F250 with 6.2 L engine. F150 had a cargo capacity of 2000 lbs, F250 2900. What do you think about the capabilities of the F150 for towing a 25 or 27' AS? It has the payload capacity but what about the 5 L engine? The attractive part of the F150 would be its gas mileage for daily driving. Coincidentally sticker price if around 44,000 for each.
Before jumping into the F150, are you sure the payload capacity is 2,000 lbs? The payload figures on Ford's website aren't the actual payload figure that the truck will have. See this thread on actual F150 payloads: http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...ad-143955.html

After much searching I found an F150 with a payload capacity of 1,800 lbs, but a lot of F150 owners who posted, have trucks with significantly less.

The F250 offers all the payload capacity one could need, but comes with downside of a stiffer ride.
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The Coyote (5.0) is an excellent engine, and a younger design than the 6.2 so it's no slouch. In real-world usage its mileage is pretty competitive with the 3.5 Ecoboost, and its peak output is competitive as well. The big difference is power delivery... the Coyote needs RPM to make much power, where the Ecoboost's behavior is like a cross between a gas and turbodiesel engine... great low-RPM torque for more relaxed power delivery, and much less performance degradation at altitude. Pick the one that behaves like you like, but see if you can't drive a comparable XLT with the 3.5EB before you decide between them.
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Here are a couple of things to consider: First of all the towing capacity 0f the 150 is marginal for the 27' but I tow a classic 27' with my F150 with very minor issues. The 2000 lb load capacity needs to have the proper understanding of what that means. The tongue weight of the trailer reduces that 2000# load to 1000#-1200# depending on your specific trailer. Next the people in the truck will reduce that by 150-200# per person If you have 4 adults in the cab that would be 600-800# load leaving you 450# to 0# for any thing that you would carry in the pickup bed or cab. No room for generator, gasoline, lawn chairs, tables, tools, bicycles, fishing gear, well you get the idea. The F150 can do the job but is marginal. The ecco-boost is the better the the 5.0L for fuel, and for driving in varying elevations. Changes in elevation doesn't effect the performance. One good thing about the ecco-boost.

The second concern is the aluminum body. Search for pictures of the F150 after an accident. They look like a beer can that has been twisted into two pieces. I am told that the body cannot be straightend. The parts have to be replaced. You know that a dent in the AS trailer requires a part replacement. So does the F150. Not sure about insurance cost or repair cost but it certainly sounds like it will be much more expensive.

I'm looking for a new truck and it has come down to this:

Like the ecco-boost engine
Do not like load capacity I normally run with a total weight for truck and trailer of 17,500# Slightly over the limits.
Do not like the aluminum cab
Do not like the solid ride of the F250
Do not like the hard ride the F250 gives the trailer
Like the quiet ride of the F150

What to do? What to do? Answer: Maybe older is better? Delay, maybe some thing better will come along?

Happy Streaming......
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Before jumping into the F150, are you sure the payload capacity is 2,000 lbs? The payload figures on Ford's website aren't the actual payload figure that the truck will have. See this thread on actual F150 payloads: http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...ad-143955.html

After much searching I found an F150 with a payload capacity of 1,800 lbs, but a lot of F150 owners who posted, have trucks with significantly less.

The F250 offers all the payload capacity one could need, but comes with downside of a stiffer ride.
The OP described a Supercab XLT, 2k lb payload isn't surprising for that. Max theoretical payload is about 2300 lb for the 6.5' box and 3000 for the 8', but you're not likely to just happen upon an 8' box unless you're at a dealer that specializes in working trucks.
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The ludicrous whinging about the "beer can" aluminum for the new F150 is just so much unfounded FUD. Look at similar photos of modern steel-bodied vehicles from similar crashes and you'll see that modern vehicles are designed to crumple because replacing body panels (or entire vehicles) is MUCH cheaper than paying hospital bills.

There's likely to be a real difference in the repair costs from medium, repairable collisions because not every body shop is prepared to work on aluminum, but aluminum body panels are hardly a new thing.
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I would say a F150 with 3.5 Eco Boost. I have the equivalent in Silverado and it does great.
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The ludicrous whinging about the "beer can" aluminum for the new F150 is just so much unfounded FUD. Look at similar photos of modern steel-bodied vehicles from similar crashes and you'll see that modern vehicles are designed to crumple because replacing body panels (or entire vehicles) is MUCH cheaper than paying hospital bills.

There's likely to be a real difference in the repair costs from medium, repairable collisions because not every body shop is prepared to work on aluminum, but aluminum body panels are hardly a new thing.
I agree. There is plenty of information about the repair cost comparisons between aluminum and steel bodies. I believe the 2017 Super Duty truck are also going to aluminum. Ford did studies and have produced video and documentation making the comparisons noting slight increase in repair costs but would expect those to drop as body shops become accustomed to repairing aluminum.

I have a 2011 F250 with the 6.7 diesel. I tow a 27' Flying Cloud with absolute confidence and have never experienced a problem either with towing or maintenance. I've towed over the Eisenhower pass at over 11,000' with ease. One of the big advantages of the diesel is engine braking. Another is engine temperature. When I used to tow with a gas engine, engine temps was something I always had to watch. There are many parts of the US where air temps get well over 100 degrees and my experience diesels aren't bothered by the heat. That's one of the reasons why we switched all our fire engines to diesel. But anyway, there are plenty of threads here about that and even more opinions.

While I love my truck (I've had diesel Fords since the dogs they produce in the late 80's), I'm intrigued by the potential of the Ecoboost F150 towing ability. So I'm watching the threads about the performance of towing a 27 or 30' trailer. What I haven't seen or read is how they perform towing on long grades at very high elevations, like the Sierra's, Rockies, of like the Eisenhower Summit I mentioned above. And of course, what goes up must come down, so I have concerns about the braking ability too. The Super Duty's have better brakes. I've also read rumors about a Ford F150 diesel in the near future.
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